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Possible Deficiencies

I think I'm running into a difficiency problem. My l.repens, r. indica, and sunset hygro have lost their red tint. However my l. gladulosa, tiger lotus, parrots feather, and a. reniekii have retained theirs. I have been seeing pinholes on the l. gladulosa, and l. repens. Also alot of my stem plants have been sending out tons of stem roots. I have lowered nitrate recently to about 10 ppm and have raised phosphate to about 2 ppm. I also just increased my potassium dosing to 3/4 tsp when I dose macros. I also dose 3 ml iron with macros, and 6 ml Flourish alternating the two. 37 gallons with 3.25 wpg. Should I just increase the Flourish and iron dosing, or is there some other problem. I've been trying to work this out on my own and now am asking for help.

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if the pinholes are on the older leaves ...

Choice C => potassium. When you reduced your nitrate, you reduce dosing KNO3 (which also has potassium) but this offset a little with your increase Potassium dosing. I would add a little more potassium and see what happens.

IMHE, r. indica, and sunset hygro turn red because of bright light and l. gladulosa and a. reniekii turn red because of reduced nitrate. Are the other two in shaded areas?
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No, they aren't shaded at all. The r. indica is laying across the top of the water. I did just rescape my tank twice in the last week, also removing the stem roots. Could that have stressed the plants? The l. repens lost it's red as soon as I placed it out of the shade. When it was shaded it was red.

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Anytime you move or prune it's going to take a week or so to see them start to color up and start to grow again.


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Pruning will help put on more root growth.


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ROFLMAO, just because you knew what it meant. Yeah I got a kick out of that post too. I think you absolutely should be monkey#2.


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I thought that moving or pruning didn't stress them. Guess I was wrong.

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I thought that moving or pruning didn't stress them. Guess I was wrong.
It shouldn't be a problem, just give them a week or so. I've learn in my tank not to dose for a week after a major pruning, thining, or re-scape, because the plants are kind of in recovery. After the next water change I dose lightly and when the plant really start to take off I dose close to the normal levels that you'll see here on the forum. Then I start the torture all over again.


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I've learn in my tank not to dose for a week after a major pruning, thining, or re-scape
I learned that too. I wonder if that's just the hose hitting us?

I try not to move my heavy rooters like swords too. They have such a huge rooting systems that it pulls most of my substrate up too.

As a side note (I stole this Idea from Gomer), I have a lot of Anubias in my tank. I tie them to small peices of wood. When I want to move things around, I just pick up the wood, move it to where I want it, then cover it up a little with the substrate so the wood isn't so noticable.
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I just pulled up a 'Rubin' that was 40" tall and had 12" of root, the hole it left in the florite looked like a bomb site. I could have divided it into 10 pieces or so, but I trimmed the roots down to about three inches and put 1/10 of the original back in the tank. It was really wild how much root the thing had, the whole left side of the tanks substrate was lifting off of the bottom, I had to shake it for a couple of minutes and still ended up with a pound of florite in the sink.


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What about the stems coming out of the roots? What does that indicate? I know there is a thread for this but am lazy.

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Do you mean roots coming out of the stems? That's normal, since an aquatic plant can have wet roots above the soil (sunlight won't dry them) they do put out roots looking for extra nutrients and extra future achoring points. If they bother you or just become to nasty to look at you can trim them of with little or no effect to the plant.


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Micros Overdose

How do you know when you are dosing too much micros and iron? Is algae the determining factor?

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Anthony, do you have Chuck Gadd's nutrient calculator:http://www.csd.net/%7Ecgadd/aqua/art_plant_aquacalc.htm

There is also a list of "Warning signs of Nutrient Deficiency" at his site: http://www.csd.net/~cgadd/aqua/art_plant_nutrient.htm

There are some other calculators out there, but I like the suggested nutrient levels on Chuck's. Just don't over do it and you'll be fine.

This calculator deals more with micros: http://www.aquaticplantcentral.com/f...ertilator.php?, you might have join the forum to use the Fertilator.


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