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Ferts and what type?

I have read and read and read.. Still just unsure of what I really need. Currently I am dosing Flourish+Seachem Trace+Potass+Nitrogen.
And guys this really adds up $ and I want to make the invenstment into a dry fert routine. However I am not sure WHICH?
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I want to be able to mix a weeks worth of dosing, so that in the mornings all I have to do is Dose. I now have a python so weekly WC arent an issue any longer.

I just want someone to say GET this...do this... and leave me out of the guess work

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CSM+B
KNO3
KH2PO4

will cover micro and macros. follow EI and just dry dose into the tank.


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I have read and read and read.. Still just unsure of what I really need. Currently I am dosing Flourish+Seachem Trace+Potass+Nitrogen.
And guys this really adds up $ and I want to make the invenstment into a dry fert routine. However I am not sure WHICH?
EI
PMMD
Direct

I want to be able to mix a weeks worth of dosing, so that in the mornings all I have to do is Dose. I now have a python so weekly WC arent an issue any longer.

I just want someone to say GET this...do this... and leave me out of the guess work

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Do EI dosing, mix the macros in one bottle and the micros in another. Put in 3 doses in each bottle and mix in the amount of ro water you want to use. You can then dose from the bottles every other day as EI states or each day using half the dose.


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Having similar confusions.

Does your substrate also determine what/how much you dose?
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It can if it is very rich and leaches the nutrients.


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You can do EI dosing using a cheap 7 day pill minder. Premesure each day's dry fert dose once a week and then each day pop the top in the morning and dump in the tank. Macros and micros every other day on schedule. You'll know if you've missed a day

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Ferts and What Kind

Good morning Jason...

Maybe I can cut through the "fluff" for you. There are two kinds of nutrients the plants need: Macro and micro. The macro like calcium, sulfates, potassium, etc. are easy. Those are provided by doing large and frequent water changes and feeding your fish a varied diet, so they can contribute the rest of the macros.

The micros, like iron, manganese, zinc, etc. are a little trickier, because those come from a commercial source and a lot of the ferts on the market are average at best. There are some very good ones too, both dry and liquid. I use liquids, because they're easy to dose and very inexpensive.

You can research the micros on line and see what's available.

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There are some very good ones too, both dry and liquid. I use liquids, because they're easy to dose and very inexpensive.

You can research the micros on line and see what's available.
So you're saying Liquid Micros are cheaper in Liquid form? So what are some of the good one? Seachem?

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So you're saying Liquid Micros are cheaper in Liquid form? So what are some of the good one? Seachem?
Of all the good advice posted, why did you only respond to the single bad post?

Do exactly what Nonconductive and Audioaficionado said.
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Hello again Jason...

Just saying liquid micro ferts can be very inexpensive. I don't like the word "cheap" very well. Cheap to me means worthless.

Anyway, I dose a couple of different kinds of liquids, because like everything that's living, it grows best with a varied diet.

The hydroponics stores sell excellent liquids at very good prices. I have large, well planted tanks and CO2 is out of the question, so I need an easy way to fertilize my plants.

I use "Earth Juice" liquids at about $13.00 a quart, this stuff is very concentrated and a bottle lasts well over a year and I dose six tanks a couple of times a week. This fert is organic, so I don't have to worry about water condition problems.

Plant care is really pretty simple if you can wade through all the "chemistry class" stuff.

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The macro like calcium, sulfates, potassium, etc. are easy.
Incorrect. The macros are nitrogen, phosphorus, and potassium.

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Those are provided by doing large and frequent water changes and feeding your fish a varied diet, so they can contribute the rest of the macros.
In your low-tech, non-CO2, and presumably low-light tanks this is possible. However, Jason clearly stated he has a high-tech, CO2, high-light tank.

You are giving inappropriate advice based solely on your personal tank style, rather than advice relevant to the tank style being discussed.

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I use "Earth Juice" liquids at about $13.00 a quart, this stuff is very concentrated and a bottle lasts well over a year and I dose six tanks a couple of times a week. This fert is organic, so I don't have to worry about water condition problems.
Earth Juice's basic "Grow" formula contains: Oat bran, sea kelp, bat guano, steamed bone meal, natural potash, blood meal and feather meal.

This is NOT a suitable fertilizer for any tank containing livestock! In fact, it's not a proper aquatic fertilizer at all...
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^^ +1

You can't really beat the price and ease of dry ferts using the EI method.

The only hassle is the weekly water changes. With a good Python setup, even that's fairly easy.

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CSM+B
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+1

If your water is soft - below 3dGH/KH - you will need GH Booster.

If your plants are exceptionally iron-hungry, you may wish to add optional iron supplements.

If there's an easier method than dry dosing, I have no idea what it could be. Just try adding it where the fish aren't.

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Drop some food in one corner and dump the ferts in the other while they're being distracted.

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