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I used the PPS for making a stock solution Trace elements (microplex) and it said to use 116 grams for a 450ml bottle. That sounds like a lot to me. If that is right how much of it would I does daily. My tanks are what I would consider high tech ie; 4-5wpg light, CO2 @4-6bps and H2O changes every 3 days or so @ about 50-75% at a time. I am very new to dry ferts and creating my own wet stocks. Please help
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Ditch the PPS system as it is the most complicated in the history of aquatic plant gardening, 116 grams is a lot and sounds crazy to me. I tried PPS and had problems with the ratios but do like some of the observations at the site.

EI is much easier, no scale, no calculator, etc. Miller microplex is a Fe suppliment correct, so it would be used in very small amounts if you had a an Fe deficientcy after using Plantex + CSM.


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Or is Miller's microplex an earlier version of Plantex + CSM, as a multi micro nutrient fert?


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Or is Miller's microplex an earlier version of Plantex + CSM, as a multi micro nutrient fert?
Millers is a completely different trace mix than Plantex. It is a european mix, much more common on the other side of the pond.

It is a MICRO element trace mix. NOt just iron.
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I would have to disagree with that as using PPS-Pro was the best thing that ever happened to me. For a 1L bottle you use 80 grams of trace. Not sure what calculator your using but for a 450ml bottle you would need 36g of millers for that bottle.


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I just found it here http://agr.wa.gov/pestfert/fertilize...spx?pname=1569 it is trace elements and just heavy on the Fe. It looks like something you might use if you are using all RO/DI water.


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Ditch the PPS system as it is the most complicated in the history of aquatic plant gardening, 116 grams is a lot and sounds crazy to me. I tried PPS and had problems with the ratios but do like some of the observations at the site.

EI is much easier, no scale, no calculator, etc. Miller microplex is a Fe suppliment correct, so it would be used in very small amounts if you had a an Fe deficientcy after using Plantex + CSM.
After reading it through I found it no more difficult than EI.


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thanks the clc. gave me an origonal dose of 36gr but then when i put iy inj again it gave 116 figure
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It has all different kinds of micro ferts but has more iron than Plantex+CSM. Use this calculator
http://sites.google.com/site/aquatic...r/home/pps-pro


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I just found it here http://agr.wa.gov/pestfert/fertilize...spx?pname=1569 it is trace elements and just heavy on the Fe. It looks like something you might use if you are using all RO/DI water.

Miller's microplex is used in tissue culturing as well as hydroponics it is objectively better than CSM +B as it has more of just about everything including manganese.
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Miller's microplex is used in tissue culturing as well as hydroponics it is objectively better than CSM +B as it has more of just about everything including manganese.
I haven't had personal experience but from what I've heard from friends and other people on forums, Millers is somewhat better than CSM+B


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No one noticing copper?
Microplex has 15 times more Cu than CSM+B.

And where do you read it has more Fe than CSM+B?
CSM+B has Fe around 6.53%.

Microplex?
4%

I just can't see how it could be better than CSM+B,
apart from using DTPA.

Or you're getting bad result because there is now less boron
in CSM+B than before?
http://www.barrreport.com/showthread...-Plantex-CSM-B


FYI: Microplex is from completely another company from CSM.
Not an older version.
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Ive never had any scientific calculations that have read that millers has more iron. But this is what I hear from people. And are you saying that Copper is bad for plants? Unless your using it on a shrimp tank that I can understand.


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It's very easy to see, without any scientific calculation.
CSM+B is 6.53% iron by weight.
Microplex is just 4%.

If you want to see list of all the nutrients in the two.
http://www.thekrib.com/Plants/Fertilizer/pmdd-tim.html

Copper toxicity to plants is well known. Use google.
For example: https://www.plantedtank.net/forums/ge...does-kill.html
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CSM+B:

Fe 6.53%
Mn 1.87%
Mg 1.40%
Zn 0.37%
Cu 0.09%
Mo 0.05%
B 1.18%

Microplex:

Fe 4.0%
Mn 4.0%
Mg 5.4%
Zn 1.5%
Cu 1.5%
Mo 0.1%
B 0.5%
Co 0.05%
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