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Think I may be overdosing?

could someone please tell me what would likely happen if I were to overdose on any of these fertz please? Im wondering if I may have been heavy handed with them- particularly the Iron. (Im dosing every three days in a 30g lightly planted tank) Thanks

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well how much are you dosing?


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well how much are you dosing?
Im only dosing the amount it says to use for the size of the tank. Sorry Im not being very clear am I? What I meant to ask was do I even NEED to be using all these products? Ive noticed a lot of people with way way better tanks than me dont use half as much as I have been using. I got myself a bit muddled reading threads (been reading for past 3 hrs lol) and am thinking I may be overdoing things. How would I know what my tank needs? Are there kits you can buy like you we do for testing water for ammonia etc etc? many thanks
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Seachem liquid fertilizers have a dosing recommendation on the bottle or in their literature, but those dosages are for low light tanks. If you have low light, and a very lightly planted tank, you probably don't need that much, but for a normal low light tank that is their recommendation. If you really are worried, just do a 50% water change.

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thanks Hoppy. I did a 50% water change yesterday, and as you know the whole light situation in this tank has been under debate for a while now. Plants are just not grwoing and those in the tank either melt to nothing or are now covered in brown dust If this is what happens with basic 35watt T8 lights then its going to be a lot worse isnt it if I put up those 80watt pendant lights I asked you about? I think you said the algae would grow even quicker. I just dont know whether I am being stupid and not 'getting' this or if my setup is just plain rubbish. Im looking at all avenues but the me being dense is looking to be most likely culprit
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one thing Im a little confused about is the brown algae. Ive been told its not a true algae but it is a cyanobacteria that doesn't receive enough light and gets too many nutrients. These nutrients? Are these the liquid fertz Im putting in? So combined with the low lights this could be causing the brown dust on all the plants and tank walls? Now im baffled because if I dont feed fertz the plants suffer and if I do feed fertz I get brown dust...*massivebigsigh* Im just not understanding this at all and Im no bimbo lol
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Brown algae is most likly diotoms (harmless) the cynobacteria is Blue/Green Algae (don't touch with bare skin).
I have only just got my head around the dosing myself and am about to start dry dosing with salts.
The best cure for the brown dust is Oto's (Otocinclus catfish you will like them) just be sure to read up on them before putting in the tank, they are very delicate and need to be drip acclimated(very slow mix of the water they came in with your tank water over a period of around 4 to 5 hours).

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The best cure for the brown dust is Oto's (Otocinclus catfish you will like them)

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neritina and neripteron snail also will help


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Brown algae is most likly diotoms (harmless) the cynobacteria is Blue/Green Algae (don't touch with bare skin).
I have only just got my head around the dosing myself and am about to start dry dosing with salts.
The best cure for the brown dust is Oto's (Otocinclus catfish you will like them) just be sure to read up on them before putting in the tank, they are very delicate and need to be drip acclimated(very slow mix of the water they came in with your tank water over a period of around 4 to 5 hours).

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Very curious, why shouldn't cynobacteria be touched with bare skin? I think I've always used tweezers to get rid of it because it looked gross.
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Very curious, why shouldn't cynobacteria be touched with bare skin? I think I've always used tweezers to get rid of it because it looked gross.
Because it can cause skin rashes and it is toxic hence the reason no fish will eat it.
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Brown diatom algae seems to attack most newly setup tanks, but over time it goes away. I think Amano shrimp eat them too.

Newly setup tanks seem to take a few weeks to "settle down" before minor algae problems ease up. There is probably a good reason for that, but I don't know what it is. My last new setup "turned the corner" when I started using DIY CO2. That seemed to jump start the plants, giving a very obvious boost in plant growth within a couple of days. And, healthy, growing plants are always going to have less algae problems than slow growing, struggling plants.

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Brown diatom algae seems to attack most newly setup tanks, but over time it goes away. I think Amano shrimp eat them too.

Newly setup tanks seem to take a few weeks to "settle down" before minor algae problems ease up. There is probably a good reason for that, but I don't know what it is. My last new setup "turned the corner" when I started using DIY CO2. That seemed to jump start the plants, giving a very obvious boost in plant growth within a couple of days. And, healthy, growing plants are always going to have less algae problems than slow growing, struggling plants.
would amano shrimp get eaten by anything I have...like assasin snails? I do really really like them actually and the more I see other people's tanks Im liking them even more. Would apple snails eat it up too? I did clean it all off today and the cloth was totally rank!!
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the danios I posted about that had turned into floating grapes with eyes havent got anything nasty afterall and so were saved the last martini Hoppy . Its purely them being really greedy and going crazy for any food dropped into the tank. Ive had to isolate them at feeding time in a large breeding(?) net. Ive actually seen them take food out of the glass cats mouths! I didnt know any fish could be so gluttonous (sp). When I dropped a tiny portion of bloodworm in for the tetras they ganged up on them, pushed them away from the food and ate the whole lot. Today they arent getting a scrap what greedy fish! lol lol
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one thing Im a little confused about is the brown algae. Ive been told its not a true algae but it is a cyanobacteria that doesn't receive enough light and gets too many nutrients. These nutrients? Are these the liquid fertz Im putting in? So combined with the low lights this could be causing the brown dust on all the plants and tank walls? Now im baffled because if I dont feed fertz the plants suffer and if I do feed fertz I get brown dust...*massivebigsigh* Im just not understanding this at all and Im no bimbo lol
The Diatoms are from silicates which could be from your substrate or your tap water, I have this problem. So if it's in you tap water weekly water changes are out and monthly or every 2 months will be your new schedule. I can do monthly WC's but if I go weekly diatoms, so I have gone to fertilizing with Osmocote gel caps under each plant in my substrate and a very light weekly dosing of ferts in the water column. I or you also could buy a RO/DI unit to get rid of the silicates and do WC's when ever we want, but being your tank is new it may be from silicates in the substrate if the sub is new or you disturbed it by vacuuming, planting, etc. I just got 5 Otocinclus (ahh toe sink luss) and these little guys love diatoms, my tank is a 150 gallon and in 48 hrs. one of these guys has cleaned the intake to my filter almost spotless and it was covered with a thin layer of diatoms but completely brown and you could not see the Eheim green at all, today green. You can clean the diatoms by hand but they will return until the cycle is completed (20 days to 6 or 8 weeks) so be patient call the LFS for Oto's and reduce ferts and no water changes until you get them in check.


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Dosing will not cause the diatoms to increase in numbers but if you can't do the WC's dosing ferts without WC's may cause algea, I got a light amount of thread algea dosing daily with no WC's for 20 days or 3 weeks. High light will help the diatoms cycle a little faster but is not the complete solution.


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The Diatoms are from silicates which could be from your substrate or your tap water, I have this problem. So if it's in you tap water weekly water changes are out and monthly or every 2 months will be your new schedule. I can do monthly WC's but if I go weekly diatoms, so I have gone to fertilizing with Osmocote gel caps under each plant in my substrate and a very light weekly dosing of ferts in the water column. I or you also could buy a RO/DI unit to get rid of the silicates and do WC's when ever we want, but being your tank is new it may be from silicates in the substrate if the sub is new or you disturbed it by vacuuming, planting, etc. I just got 5 Otocinclus (ahh toe sink luss) and these little guys love diatoms, my tank is a 150 gallon and in 48 hrs. one of these guys has cleaned the intake to my filter almost spotless and it was covered with a thin layer of diatoms but completely brown and you could not see the Eheim green at all, today green. You can clean the diatoms by hand but they will return until the cycle is completed (20 days to 6 or 8 weeks) so be patient call the LFS for Oto's and reduce ferts and no water changes until you get them in check.
Thst is superb advice and totally different to what i was about to do lol I was thinking lots of water change hehehe. Also...i gravel vac EVERY water change which ive been doing weekly. Big oops. Why does that make it worse? Why does frequent water changes make it worse also.? Im loving the otos by the way...hey sound more appealing every post I read
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