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post #76 of 81 (permalink) Old 07-25-2019, 06:42 PM
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Do you think this is to much for neon tetras to handle in a planted tank? I have 5 Amazon swords a bunch of dwarf hair grass and two anubias or should I do a 25% water change?
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This is a perfect example of why I find it difficult to have a conversation with you.
You'll have to excuse my short response but these discussions are not productive especially when you start with something combative like the above sentence.

This thread is about a sparsely planted low demand tank and nitrates which look to be about 40ppm+ with neon tetras in it, it isn't about YOUR tank.

Neither his Tetras nor his plants NEED 40ppm nitrates nor even 20ppm nitrates period. It isn't about EI nor about PPS pro nor your tank, nor Rainbow fish. I really don't know why you made it about all of these things.

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If you have fish, keep your nitrates between 5-30 ppm. Educate yourself where your fish fall within this window of tolerance.
If you struggle to do that and consistently find yourself distinguishing between shades of red-- your priorities lie elsewhere.
@Discusluv has given prudent advice, IN THIS THREAD FOR THIS AQUARIUM.

The rest of this discussion and your bullying of @Edward again is really irrelevant to helping the OP and has generated the same tired arguments not worth having.
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post #77 of 81 (permalink) Old 07-25-2019, 09:44 PM
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Nitrates probably didn't kill your guppies. Could be TDS shock or osmotic stress or a million other things....but not nitrates alone. Not sure why you jump to this conclusion.
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Algae first exist as spores. This is their "caterpillar" equivalent. AS far as we have been able to ascertain, spores seek out light+ammonia in some combination, and that's all they look for. If they have plenty of ammonia but no light they cannot enter metamorphosis because there is not the right combination of triggers. If there is plenty of light but little ammonia they can accrue enough to trigger the metamorphosis. If they have plenty of light plus plenty of ammonia the trigger is immediate and they change forms from spore to flagellate so fast your head will spin. It is this flagellate form which we see expressed in our worst nightmares, and this is their "butterfly" equivalent phase.

Spores do not feed on fertilizers such as PO4 or NO3, therefore PO4 and NO3 cannot possibly trigger a bloom, no matter what the level, however, the butterfly form - the flagellate - does feed on fertilizers and will immediately begin to take advantage of any nutrient source in the water column or on leaves once it changes from spore to flagellate.
This quote above from the UKAPS forum posted by @jeffkrol really does it for me and is the reason you can't compare KNO3 dosed to NO3 from decomposition. There's a reason tanks that are thinly planted and full of livestock are the hardest to keep clean of algae and the opposite is true for heavily planted regardless of dosed KNO3. If the plants aren't there to immediately utilize the toxins from waste than it can easily stay in the water column and harm livestock. Water changes help but the plants are continous. Even if it goes into the filter it's still in the water column as opposed to plants uptaking it.
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This is like the era when Howard Stern first started on the radio.
Got to check in every day just to see what they will say.
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This is like the era when Howard Stern first started on the radio.
Got to check in every day just to see what they will say.
MG..........Hit 'em with the Hein!!

And a Baba Booey to y'all!!
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Whyyyyy can't everyone have friendly discussions without insulting and bickering? If some of you can't do that, you need to get right in your personal lives and deal with your stress. I know the world is a messed up place but good grief. Stop being jerks on a plant forum, of all places. Save the drama for Fakebook. (Unintentional typo but leaving it because it's probably more accurate than Facebook)

If someone is trolling? Please use the report function. It takes you ten seconds.

The moderation team won't clean this thread up again without issuing infractions. Some of us prefer to spend time reading through all the impressive tank journals instead of intervening in silly spats. Now I can't find where I left off reading about Endlers...


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