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thanks for posting , i see majorly two versions one is B 0.004 and other is B 0.014, which one to dose when?
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Recently, I've been thinking about adding fulvic acid (can't hurt) to my daily micro dosing and just saw your comment on it. May I ask what your source is (customhydronutrients mentioned above?) and how you determine dosage amount / gallon?
Deanna, I got my Fulvic Acid from Kelp4less few years ago. Far as how much to add and how I came up with that? well far as I know there is no way to accurately figure out the correct dose unlike other chemicals which gives us a % of certain content which can be calculated easily. With Fulvic Acid its little bit tricky, the closest we could come to calculate It, is by calculating the Carbon content based on https://www.webqc.org/molecular-weight-of-C14H12O8.html

Honestly, I have only tested it in my tank for few months, while it could give good results, but at the same time it could also cause this algae that looks like cyano and usually form on the tip of the plants, the results from using Fulvic acid was similar to adding Urea, there is tons of organics in this acid and you could expect some good amount of organic Nitrogen coming from this Acid, I add about 0.15-0.25 gram of Fulvic acid in my recipe for testing purposes, Adding too much resulted in some algae.

I also played with Humic acid and it probably isnít best used when mixing with the solutions.


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Hi @happi.

thanks for posting , i see majorly two versions one is B 0.004 and other is B 0.014, which one to dose when?
you can use any of the above recipe from the list according to your needs, I wouldnít go based on which recipe to use just based on the Boron. However, try to maintain Fe levels around 0.1-0.3 ranges weekly, you can split the doses in daily dose or dose 2-3x week or however you like, but I wouldnít dose 0.3 ppm Fe in single dose. also, the only time you need to add more if your water is rich in PH/KH or say liquid hard.

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Deanna, I got my Fulvic Acid from Kelp4less few years ago. Far as how much to add and how I came up with that? well far as I know there is no way to accurately figure out the correct dose unlike other chemicals which gives us a % of certain content which can be calculated easily. With Fulvic Acid its little bit tricky, the closest we could come to calculate It, is by calculating the Carbon content based on https://www.webqc.org/molecular-weight-of-C14H12O8.html

Honestly, I have only tested it in my tank for few months, while it could give good results, but at the same time it could also cause this algae that looks like cyano and usually form on the tip of the plants, the results from using Fulvic acid was similar to adding Urea, there is tons of organics in this acid and you could expect some good amount of organic Nitrogen coming from this Acid, I add about 0.15-0.25 gram of Fulvic acid in my recipe for testing purposes, Adding too much resulted in some algae.

I also played with Humic acid and it probably isn’t best used when mixing with the solutions.
Thanks, much. I think that I'll try it as well. There seem to be several fulvic acid products on Amazon that are designed for hydroponics.

Very interesting that you had the strong correlation to algae growth (first direct connection that I've encountered), albeit some odd form of algae. Like our dosing of urea or NH4 (in your case), which are attempts to match what our fish provide in the favored form of N to our plants, the organic stream from our fish also includes the humins, such as fulvic acid. The hydroponics people do know this to be beneficial, but perhaps our fish don't supply enough. We all attribute algae expansion to "organics" as a catch-all phrase and try to limit the "organics" development and clean it out to prevent this. Perhaps the various humin components play a big role in this. I wonder if various BB that develop consume humins or if there is any type of media that would.
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Thanks, much. I think that I'll try it as well. There seem to be several fulvic acid products on Amazon that are designed for hydroponics.

Very interesting that you had the strong correlation to algae growth (first direct connection that I've encountered), albeit some odd form of algae. Like our dosing of urea or NH4 (in your case), which are attempts to match what our fish provide in the favored form of N to our plants, the organic stream from our fish also includes the humins, such as fulvic acid. The hydroponics people do know this to be beneficial, but perhaps our fish don't supply enough. We all attribute algae expansion to "organics" as a catch-all phrase and try to limit the "organics" development and clean it out to prevent this. Perhaps the various humin components play a big role in this. I wonder if various BB that develop consume humins or if there is any type of media that would.
you will find several companies sell Fluvic acid and its not same or you can say its different from each other especially in term of quality. far as the organic goes, am quite confident to say they do contribute to several algae's issues. adding excess amount of Urea can result in BBA and that Cyano on tip of the plant which appear to look dark in color and same odor as Cyano. Urea or NH4 isn't a problem when dosed properly.

honestly, I haven't seen any BBA for several years now. while I still conduct several experiments I do run into issues with plants and Algae, but again that is the whole purpose of my experiment to begin with.

in case you were interested, these are next on my list especially the first two, 99% people will never see this in any of the recipes as they are not needed or already present in the water, i just wanted to give them the test to see if they benefit the plants.

Rubidium Sulfate
Vanadyl Sulfate Pentahydrate
Aluminum Sulfate
Rubidium Iodide-
Titanium DiOxide
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Rubidium Sulfate
Vanadyl Sulfate Pentahydrate
Aluminum Sulfate
Rubidium Iodide-
Titanium DiOxide
Yes, I've seen some of those ingredients in various manufacturer's formulas and wondered why. However, like many of the traces, I believe that these all sneak in through fish food.
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I also usually keep my water at 10 ppm Calcium, 4 ppm Mg, about 4-8 ppm Potassium .. if you are keeping fish and feed decent amount of food, I see no real reason to add N and P, unless you are pushing for extreme plant growth.
What are your favorite NO3 and PO4 concentrations without fish?
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What are your favorite NO3 and PO4 concentrations without fish?
in most cases:
8.84 ppm NO3 weekly (2 ppm N coming from NH4NO3, truly only 4.42 ppm NO3-N weekly, rest is NH4-N)
0.8 ppm PO4 weekly

in some cases I double the dose if I want aggressive plant growth
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