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Compare the ppm traces of the chelated vs non chelated recipe, example chelated Ni 0.0015ppm vs Ni 0.000006 ppm. Notice how the ppm for the non chelated is much much lower? He basically made the separate solution so that he could cut it down to much smaller ppm for the final recipe. does this make sense?
understood, so as long as i am making a large enough solution to accurately measure the minute amounts of traces then i can skip the seperate solutions. I thought that maybe he found some precipitation occuring without mixing them seperately first
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due to accuracy, i have trying measuring very low amount on my gram scale and it would be impossible to measure such a small amount, the solution was to simply make a stronger solution and then use say 20 ml from 500 ml solution, adding say 20ml to another 480ml solution give you 0.0001 ppm etc, i hope that make sense.
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The ppm mentioned with each recipe.Are those daily doses or weekly doses?
Has anyone tried the above formulas for trace elements in their tanks?If yes.I would love to see some

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Update: am bit late to respond as i had put Amino Acid Glycine to test as traces, it have many issues such as precipitation and formation of SO4 in the solution, only some of them were very soluble without issue.

i hope to see other members try to make their own ferts, feel free to ask question

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Hi happi,
How does the ppm specially for macros given in the first post translate to someone having a high light and fully planted tank?Had problem with plants stunting in my tank(with high light) with full RO water(KH:3-5,Gh:3-5) remineralised with Barr's GH booster(didn't use any K2CO3).My dosing included NO3:7 ppm,Po4:0.7 ppm,K:15ppm.GSA and GDA also followed stunting.Co2 was at par(had no fishes so dosed about 4-5 bps,above 1 ph drop from 6.6 to 5.5 or so through JBL inline diffuser)
Was it due to lack of metals and other micro elements stripped away from water by RO?Or was it due to less dosing of macros?I was following your recipe no. 3 for micros.
Don't have any pics with me atm since I have dismantled my tank due to mentioned issues but I intend to plant it again after sorting out these issues.TIA
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Hi happi,
How does the ppm specially for macros given in the first post translate to someone having a high light and fully planted tank?Had problem with plants stunting in my tank(with high light) with full RO water(KH:3-5,Gh:3-5) remineralised with Barr's GH booster(didn't use any K2CO3).My dosing included NO3:7 ppm,Po4:0.7 ppm,K:15ppm.GSA and GDA also followed stunting.Co2 was at par(had no fishes so dosed about 4-5 bps,above 1 ph drop from 6.6 to 5.5 or so through JBL inline diffuser)
Was it due to lack of metals and other micro elements stripped away from water by RO?Or was it due to less dosing of macros?I was following your recipe no. 3 for micros.
Don't have any pics with me atm since I have dismantled my tank due to mentioned issues but I intend to plant it again after sorting out these issues.TIA
i had multiple members make mistakes while making most of the recipes, i hope you are making everything correctly as margin of error is very high, i do not suggest using Barr Gh booster or other Method such as EI while using my recipes, please refer to this quote:

"next one, which source of N is superior for plants? some might argue NO3 is enough, this isn't simply true, i had a chance to try all kind of N sources and NH4 was the most superior one, next one that comes close is Urea, but Urea can sometime fail to work if your water lack nickel enzymes, process of urea degradation was also slow, NH4 can skip certain steps and directly used by plants making it superior to others. Monte carlo was an good example of this test, where it obtained very small leaves when NO3 was the only source of N, soon as NH4 was added, leave size was doubled or tripled.
next one is Potassium, we should never add so much potassium, those who add so much potassium are likely to see pale looking plants and plant don't really use much as what most people has been adding for many years now, plant use almost 3-4x less potassium than Nitrogen, however extra potassium will enhance the plant growth by increasing the uptake of other nutrients.
next one is PO4, this one is tricky one, those who add tons of Po4, are most probably precipitating Iron and other important trace minerals, no need to add so much PO4 in water column, however plant like ludwigia pantanal seems to like little bit extra PO4, so you need to look for the right dose"


for GH, plant don't really need such a high GH either especially Calcium, you will only need to add so much calcium if you are adding so many trace minerals in excess amount, especially Boron, 5 ppm Calcium and 2 ppm Mg is more than enough for weekly dose, this is already in upper range. far as GDA and GSA goes i suggest you read my article where i might have answer to these questions, if you are really Interested, just send me PM

i can tell you one thing for sure, don't believe if someone tell you "Not Enough CO2" or "Not Enough Nutrients" they have no idea whats truly happening.
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Thanks for the reply happi.I am gonna try those values for Ca and Mg then.Seems like I was dosing too much.Does excess Ca and Mg block any nutrient absorpotion?
I was facing bent edges and tips of plants' leaves hence started using Barr's booster which cured the problem.Would 2ppm Mg and 5ppm of Ca be enough for fully planted tank?
Regarding making traces recipe,Yes I was really careful while making measurements.I have a scale with least count to .001g.For chemicals that were way lower than min. count I made strong solutions just like yours.
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Thanks for the reply happi.I am gonna try those values for Ca and Mg then.Seems like I was dosing too much.Does excess Ca and Mg block any nutrient absorpotion?
I was facing bent edges and tips of plants' leaves hence started using Barr's booster which cured the problem.Would 2ppm Mg and 5ppm of Ca be enough for fully planted tank?
Regarding making traces recipe,Yes I was really careful while making measurements.I have a scale with least count to .001g.For chemicals that were way lower than min. count I made strong solutions just like yours.
it will depend on what source of Ca and Mg you also add, most of the time if the water is rich in CO3 coming from CaCo3, Mgco3 etc, you will face more issues with certain nutrients. for me 5 ppm Ca and 2 ppm Mg is more than enough, i myself use very low amount and you would be surprised if i said how much, i also use 100% RO/DI water, this could change the results for others as they they tap water, if something isnt working for you, please post a pics of the plants, pros and cons of what you observe etc, this would help further. its not Ca and Mg that could block other nutrinets, its more complex than that, for example one of the member use exact same recipe with their tap water and it failed to work for them, i use the same recipe and it works for me, simply because i have more control over my parameter while the other person doesn't. i can add you to our group chat on facebook, so you will be in touch with us more often and we can help you further.

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Nice! Thanks a lot for this!

I've been out of the hobby for a while but back at it again, and Hoppi, you have helped me before. Some years ago, when I also came to the conclusion that Micros/CSM was the issue.

Anywho, some questions. The "pink" recipe, how much do you dose of it? Like how many ml pr gallon? Also, I can't find MoO3, but I can get Na2MoO4. You have any clue to what I have to add to get the same Mo concentration as the MoO3?

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@Malakian Na2MoO4.2H2O is already covered in one of the recipe, doses are also already covered, 5ml per 50 gallon. you can also calculate how much Mo to add based on the given formula

read this:
https://www.plantedtank.net/forums/1...fe-recipe.html

use this approach: "Example of My method" on same link

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What kind of bottles/containers do you like to use to store all these mixes? Do you add excel or anything else to prevent mold growth?

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What PH would the water have to be to prevent precipitation between the Phosphate and Iron? I'm a bit confused on that topic.
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What kind of bottles/containers do you like to use to store all these mixes? Do you add excel or anything else to prevent mold growth?
i use Smartwater bottles, i clean them with vinegar and use them to store all my solutions, i use potassium Sorbate and Ascorbic Acid in all my solutions, i sometime use SODIUM BENZOATE if needed, around 0.25-0.5 gram in 500ml solution, but the other two does the job just fine. see my 2nd thread under my signature

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What PH would the water have to be to prevent precipitation between the Phosphate and Iron? I'm a bit confused on that topic.
you want the PH to remain acidic, more acidic the better it would be, PH of 5-6 is generally good but there is no need to measure the PH if you are adding the potassium Sorbate and Ascorbic Acid at decent levels. Phosphate and Iron precipitation doesn't easily occur with the the EDTA/DTPA/EDDHA, adding PO4 and Fe gluconate in the same solution could become more of an issue. also adding Fulvic acid to the mix will also prevent precipitation and actually make the Trace mineral more available to the plants by passing through the cell membrane of the plants due to smaller molecules. the only major issue could arise from fuvlic acid is Algae if added in excess amount, so play with it wisely.


if you guys choose the ppm and the chemicals of your choice, I could help make the recipe.
i buy my chemicals from MBferts and customhydronutrients if you guys need them

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Here are some simple Chelated focused Trace recipes which should be simple to measure on the scale and mix, nothing complicated here compare to some of my other recipes. make sure you add 0.5-1g Ascorbic Acid and 0.2-0.4g Potassium Sorbate to each solution before mixing any of the other chemicals. #2 and #6 are my personal favorite, most of these were used at 0.1-0.2 ppm Fe per week maximum and I never really needed to add more, but you can add higher if you want to explore more. I also usually keep my water at 10 ppm Calcium, 4 ppm Mg, about 4-8 ppm Potassium weekly without adding any of these additionally unless I include them in the Mixes. you can also use Cacl, MgSo4, KHCo3 if you are using 100% RO water, i keep the GH and KH quite low. if you are keeping fish and feed decent amount of food, I see no real reason to add N and P, unless you are pushing for extreme plant growth. feel free to ask questions, I will update some of the NON-Chelated recipes in my free time.

Simple Micro/Fe Recipe Version #1, based on 500 ml solution, 5 ml per 50 gallon

6.55 gram EDTA Fe 13%
Fe 0.045

4.30 gram DTPA Fe 11%
Fe 0.025

6.988 gram Mn EDTA 13%
Mn 0.048

0.433 gram Boric Acid 17.48 %
B 0.004

0.75 gram Cu EDTA 15%
Cu 0.006

0.253 gram Zn EDTA 15%
Zn 0.002

0.190 gram Na2MoO4*2H2O 39.6582%
Mo 0.004
Na 0.002

Simple Micro/Fe Recipe Version #2, based on 500 ml solution, 5 ml per 50 gallon

12 gram DTPA Fe 11%
Fe 0.07

6.988 gram Mn EDTA 13%
Mn 0.048

0.433 gram Boric Acid 17.48 %
B 0.004

0.75 gram Cu EDTA 15%
Cu 0.006

0.253 gram Zn EDTA 15%
Zn 0.002

0.190 gram Na2MoO4*2H2O 39.6582%
Mo 0.004
Na 0.002

Simple Micro/Fe Recipe Version #3, based on 500 ml solution, 5 ml per 50 gallon

4.37 gram EDTA Fe 13%
Fe 0.03

6.88 gram DTPA Fe 11%
Fe 0.04

4.557 gram Fe Gluconate 12.46%
Fe 0.03

6.988 gram Mn EDTA 13%
Mn 0.048

0.433 gram Boric Acid 17.48 %
B 0.004

0.75 gram Cu EDTA 15%
Cu 0.006

0.253 gram Zn EDTA 15%
Zn 0.002

0.190 gram Na2MoO4*2H2O 39.6582%
Mo 0.004
Na 0.002

Simple Micro/Fe Recipe Version #4, based on 500 ml solution, 5 ml per 50 gallon

6.55 gram HEEDTA Fe 13%
Fe 0.045

4.30 gram DTPA Fe 11%
Fe 0.025

6.988 gram Mn EDTA 13%
Mn 0.048

0.433 gram Boric Acid 17.48 %
B 0.004

0.75 gram Cu EDTA 15%
Cu 0.006

0.253 gram Zn EDTA 15%
Zn 0.002

0.190 gram Na2MoO4*2H2O 39.6582%
Mo 0.004
Na 0.002

Simple Micro/Fe Recipe Version #5, based on 500 ml solution, 5 ml per 50 gallon

8.735 gram EDTA Fe 13%
Fe 0.06

6.88 gram DTPA Fe 11%
Fe 0.04

9.754 gram Mn EDTA 13%
Mn 0.067

1.516 gram Boric Acid 17.48 %
B 0.014

1.766 gram Cu EDTA 15%
Cu 0.014

1.766 gram Zn EDTA 15%
Zn 0.014

0.190 gram Na2MoO4*2H2O 39.6582%
Mo 0.004
Na 0.002


Simple Micro/Fe Recipe Version #6, based on 500 ml solution, 5 ml per 50 gallon

17.20 gram DTPA Fe 11%
Fe 0.1

9.754 gram Mn EDTA 13%
Mn 0.067

1.516 gram Boric Acid 17.48 %
B 0.014

1.766 gram Cu EDTA 15%
Cu 0.014

1.766 gram Zn EDTA 15%
Zn 0.014

0.190 gram Na2MoO4*2H2O 39.6582%
Mo 0.004
Na 0.002

Simple Micro/Fe Recipe Version #7, based on 500 ml solution, 5 ml per 50 gallon

34.41 gram DTPA Fe 11%
Fe 0.2

14.56 gram Mn EDTA 13%
Mn 0.1

1.516 gram Boric Acid 17.48 %
B 0.014

1.766 gram Cu EDTA 15%
Cu 0.014

1.766 gram Zn EDTA 15%
Zn 0.014

0.38 gram Na2MoO4*2H2O 39.6582%
Mo 0.008
Na 0.004

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@happi,

Recently, I've been thinking about adding fulvic acid (can't hurt) to my daily micro dosing and just saw your comment on it. May I ask what your source is (customhydronutrients mentioned above?) and how you determine dosage amount / gallon?
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