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Overnight drooping leaves

Yesterday things were good, today L sp red leaves are drooped?
I'm assuming this is a macro shortage as today was micro day. Out of curiosity I did half my normal macro day dosing to see what happens but also wondering if I burnt through all my magnesium already (9ppm)
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Hard to say what but it definitely looks low on something. Doubt its Mg if you started with 9 ppm

If yesterday was macro day (no micros) and today is micro day, see if they look better by the end of the day. I used to get a little of that when micros were still low (B and Zn specifically) Purely a guess in this case obviously

CO2 and all that still good? Nothing wonky going on otherwise?
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L. Sp. Red is a pretty good indicator plant.

I keep a close eye on mine, as many times it will alert you to something before others are affected.

Like Burr said, looks a bit droopy. Just curious, what is your macro dosing these days? And I believe you cut down on micros, back to three days a week? How was this plant doing before you cut things back?

I ask because it looks to me like it wants more of something. When I see something like that, many times I will toss in an extra full dose of macros & macros, then watch closely for a day or so. If the plant perks up, tells me it was missing something.

If it doesn't perk up, I'd be looking at CO2, making sure pH drop is good, then tank maintenance (vac, water change, filters, etc).

But as usual, it could be something completely different, but that's where I would start.
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Hi @Chlorophile

Do you have a couple of pictures of other species in the tank please, especially stem plants newer and older leaves?

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Hard to say what but it definitely looks low on something. Doubt its Mg if you started with 9 ppm

If yesterday was macro day (no micros) and today is micro day, see if they look better by the end of the day. I used to get a little of that when micros were still low (B and Zn specifically) Purely a guess in this case obviously

CO2 and all that still good? Nothing wonky going on otherwise?
Yeah co2 is still good, no changes..
Overall much less pearling today though.
There are a few leaves that are practically pointing straight down.
No change yet.

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L. Sp. Red is a pretty good indicator plant.

I keep a close eye on mine, as many times it will alert you to something before others are affected.

Like Burr said, looks a bit droopy. Just curious, what is your macro dosing these days? And I believe you cut down on micros, back to three days a week? How was this plant doing before you cut things back?

I ask because it looks to me like it wants more of something. When I see something like that, many times I will toss in an extra full dose of macros & macros, then watch closely for a day or so. If the plant perks up, tells me it was missing something.

If it doesn't perk up, I'd be looking at CO2, making sure pH drop is good, then tank maintenance (vac, water change, filters, etc).

But as usual, it could be something completely different, but that's where I would start.
Well the obvious change in the tank is switching to a hydroponic t5 unit lol.

Everything else is about the same, and its been 4 days, so I'm assuming i've run dry on something.

Macros are Mon, Wed, Fri, Sun
From KNO3
NO3 8.35 ppm
K 5.26 PPM

From KH2PO4
PO4 2.93
K 1.21

And then here is where I might have messed up..
I only added 1 TBSP Equilibrium last WC..
Adding
K 23.42
Ca 9.68
Mg 2.89
Fe 0.13
Mn 0.07

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Hi @Chlorophile

Do you have a couple of pictures of other species in the tank please, especially stem plants newer and older leaves?
I do, everything looks good still though except for the Super Red.
I'm assuming like Greggz said it is just the first plant to show signs of whatever is happening.
I Imagine if I don't figure out the cause though I will start seeing issues in other species.

The drooping is on sets of leaves between the 3rd and 5th node, not really any below it or above it.. So I'm assuming this is a mobile nutrient issue.
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Well the obvious change in the tank is switching to a hydroponic t5 unit lol.
Well yes always best to start with the obvious.

I forgot about the new lights. Plants might just be adjusting, and will bounce back on their own.

Or could be with the higher light, you are pushing the gas pedal harder, plants want/need more, and something ran dry. I find that pretty likely. Personally I would toss in a dose of everything and see if that helps.
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Well yes always best to start with the obvious.

I forgot about the new lights. Plants might just be adjusting, and will bounce back on their own.

Or could be with the higher light, you are pushing the gas pedal harder, plants want/need more, and something ran dry. I find that pretty likely. Personally I would toss in a dose of everything and see if that helps.
I did 1tbsp of equilibrium, an extra half dose of Micro's and a half dose of Macros.
Tomorrow I will try some extra Macros as well.
The plants looked great for the first 3 days! L. SP Red put on 3 or 4 inches as did everything else lmao.
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With the new light you may need to kick micros back up to daily or 4-5x week.

Gotta believe macros are still plenty, you dont need any more P that's for sure.

And for the umpteenth time, STOP changing the GH or KH so much!

The main thing this tank needs is some stability!
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With the new light you may need to kick micros back up to daily or 4-5x week.

Gotta believe macros are still plenty, you dont need any more P that's for sure.

And for the umpteenth time, STOP changing the GH or KH so much! <a href="https://www.plantedtank.net/forums/images/smilie/icon_smile.gif" border="0" alt="" title="Smile" >:-)</a>

The main thing this tank needs is some stability!
LOL idk why I only added 1 tbsp. I think I forgot the math after seachems site is all horrible lol.

Everything looks normal today, after the extra equilibrium, traces and macros yesterday I also added a full dose of traces with my macros today and it seems to have worked.
What the cause was I'm not sure, to rule out equilibrium as the fix I may try going back to three times a week traces and see if it comes back and then I'll know for sure

Side note: noticing BBA on substrate.
Raised light up about 3 inches and I'm gonna do an extra water change tonight and a big big trim of all the plants.


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