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You mentioned extreme short internodes..
I've got that on my ludwigia right now, not sure if it's normal short cause I just switched lighting and maybe it's brighter.
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Also, what sort of biomass and lighting levels do you think warrant going up to a daily trace dose?
I'm doing every other day, not incredibly dense planting but I have some massive balls of blyxa I wouldn't be surprised if they took up half of everything that goes in the tank.
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Dont really see a problem. Its normal for the newest couple sets of leaves to be closer than the rest. If anything the old growth looks abnormally long. That's probably due to being starved for light. Give it a couple weeks under the new light and see
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Also, what sort of biomass and lighting levels do you think warrant going up to a daily trace dose?
I'm doing every other day, not incredibly dense planting but I have some massive balls of blyxa I wouldn't be surprised if they took up half of everything that goes in the tank.
I remember your thread full of struggles. How's the tank under Burr's trace regime?
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It's doing much better!
I did remove a lot of the struggling species but I still have AR mini and Rotala green and an ammania which have shown improvement.
It's not perfect yet, not sure what else could be wrong but I just got new lighting so maybe I'll see more improvement.

I've got hair algae kinda everywhere now though, it's been a few weeks now. It doesn't really grow or get out of control but it's on everything lol.
Not sure if it's cladophora or something cause it seems to do better the more co2 I use lmao.

Im Dosing 8.35ppm NO3
6.86 ppm K
3.91 ppm po4
Possibly too rich I'm not sure.


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I have a hypothesis for your pearling after ceasing Urea and it might be kinda boring..

Your beneficial bacteria!
We know how much o2 is consumed by the filter, when you reduced their load by stopping the urea there was a surplus of oxygen..
Maybe lol.


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I have a hypothesis for your pearling after ceasing Urea and it might be kinda boring..

Your beneficial bacteria!
We know how much o2 is consumed by the filter, when you reduced their load by stopping the urea there was a surplus of oxygen..
Maybe lol.
That's logical but it happened the very first part of the very first day, which wouldnt be time for the bacteria to take a hit. Im pretty sure DMtank nailed it


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I've been using CSM+B I don't know if I should keep using this any more??
So, are you guys saying that I should get each mic nutrient separately and make my own mix.

If that's the case. Can someone tell me how much of each fert to mix into a 500 mil bottle.

Also, how much ppm would be in say a 10mil dose?

Is there a target ppm for each fert?? We're using?

It seems every body has different totals from the charts that are on this thread.
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I've been using CSM+B I don't know if I should keep using this any more??
So, are you guys saying that I should get each mic nutrient separately and make my own mix.

If that's the case. Can someone tell me how much of each fert to mix into a 500 mil bottle.

Also, how much ppm would be in say a 10mil dose?

Is there a target ppm for each fert?? We're using?

It seems every body has different totals from the charts that are on this thread.
This thing can calculate everything for you:

https://www.plantedtank.net/forums/11...er-change.html
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I have a hypothesis for your pearling after ceasing Urea and it might be kinda boring..

Your beneficial bacteria!
We know how much o2 is consumed by the filter, when you reduced their load by stopping the urea there was a surplus of oxygen..
Maybe lol.
That's logical but it happened the very first part of the very first day, which wouldnt be time for the bacteria to take a hit. Im pretty sure DMtank nailed it
I don't mean they took a hit but rather weren't respirating since they weren't metabolising anything, I'll have to see what DMTank wrote though I must have missed it.

Edit: oh derp he said exactly what I was trying to say "has a higher dissolved oxygen content due to less oxygen being pulled out as your biofilter consumes the Urea."


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Are you suggesting that we buy each Micro fert separately and make our own mix? I've been using CSM+B
If so, can you provide the mixing info. ie, how much of each fert to be mixed in a 500 mil bottle.
How many ppm in say, a 10 mil dose?
What is the target ppm for each dose?

This info would be used in a 60 gal tank.

From the charts I've looked at every body seems to have different totals.
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It's been now 2 weeks using the following recipe daily, with nickel added to the mix a few days ago -

Fe - 200 ppb
Mn - 90 ppb
B - 32 ppb
Zn - 60 ppb
Mo - 1.3 ppb
Cu - None, there's a little in my tap, otherwise I'd add around 2 ppb
Ni - .5 ppb
Interesting as always Burr. Tonight I'm mixing up the latest batch you sent which is measured out at .15 Fe, and will start with it next week. As you know I have been steadily upping the dosage for quite a while, and have been dosing it daily for the past month or so.

As I've mentioned, so far no negatives. If global pearling is any indication, then things are going very well. I can definitely say more pearling in my tank than ever before.

So what do you think, should I up it even further? I don't mind experimenting if you want someone else to be pushing these upper limits. Really just amazing the amounts you are dosing compared to where you were really not that long ago (and me too!).

And on a side note, everything recovered from whatever happened when I dosed that Gluc. Still can't figure that one out for sure, but I am pretty sure it had something to do with it.
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Greg, keep us posted with the new batch. I have been dosing daily for the past 5 days, but so far no improvement... Actually some plants got worse. I will keep doing it and post some pics on my journal soon. Glad to know it has been working for you so far, but in my case, I had probably better success with less dosing (or less Zn?)
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Are you suggesting that we buy each Micro fert separately and make our own mix? I've been using CSM+B

If so, can you provide the mixing info. ie, how much of each fert to be mixed in a 500 mil bottle.

How many ppm in say, a 10 mil dose?

What is the target ppm for each dose?



This info would be used in a 60 gal tank.



From the charts I've looked at every body seems to have different totals.


Take Burr's ppms, then use this calculator to find the compounds and calculate the amounts:

http://Rotalabutterfly.com
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Interesting as always Burr. Tonight I'm mixing up the latest batch you sent which is measured out at .15 Fe, and will start with it next week. As you know I have been steadily upping the dosage for quite a while, and have been dosing it daily for the past month or so.

As I've mentioned, so far no negatives. If global pearling is any indication, then things are going very well. I can definitely say more pearling in my tank than ever before.

So what do you think, should I up it even further? I don't mind experimenting if you want someone else to be pushing these upper limits. Really just amazing the amounts you are dosing compared to where you were really not that long ago (and me too!).

And on a side note, everything recovered from whatever happened when I dosed that Gluc. Still can't figure that one out for sure, but I am pretty sure it had something to do with it.
The new blend has a little more Zn, 50 ppb compared to 30 something in the old. Maybe try it at the same daily .15 ppm Fe dose you're doing now for a couple of weeks and see if you notice a change.

Then if you're feeling frisky you can always try dosing more and see what happens.
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Finally filled out that Spreadsheet.



Any advice/input?
Should I up dosing on Traces from 3x a week?
How would I know if I should be adding K via K2SO4?

edit: I was using Equilibrium for a few weeks but never saw any changes so I've been off if for two weeks, my tap presumably has enough of that stuff.
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