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post #1 of 10 (permalink) Old 08-24-2017, 02:45 AM Thread Starter
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Ugh.. cycling help pls

I'm not new to this hobby, but I'm not a veteran either. This said, I've successfully cycled 6 aquariums, mostly fishless, with little difficulty... until now. My newest setup is taking much longer than usual and I'm getting some odd readings when I test. So I'm setting my pride aside and creating yet another "cycling help" thread.
I started the process 7 weeks ago by dosing 4ppm ammonia into a bare aquarium. Past cycles have taken 4-6 weeks. Im not using any cycled media from other tanks because I don't want to risk any snail hitchhikers (and I'm not in a big hurry). I did add some Prodibio starter bacteria that I was given at a convention. I don't normally use bottled bacteria, but it was free so I didn't see a down side. A month and a half later, I'm still sitting at 4ppm ammonia. I haven't bothered to test nitrite yet.
Water temp has been 73F, which is the temperature I plan on maintaining once I add fish. However, a few days ago I did up it to 77F in hopes that it might move things along. That's closer to what I cycled and keep other tanks at.
The pH is a more complicated issue. I started with my tap water, which is a high 8.6. About a month later, when I added substrate and hardscape, I emptied the tank but kept some in a bucket for the filter to keep running on. I refilled the tank with remineralized RODI water with a pH of 7. Other than the water inside the filter, there shouldn't bee any ammonia, so I dosed back up to 4ppm. Last week I started injecting CO2, which dropped the pH to 6.
My API Ammonia test kit was pretty old, so I considered the possibility of false readings. I picked up a new set and am getting the same results.
Tomorrow I'll be adding some plants. I plan on letting them get pretty established before I add fish, so again no rush. However, I do need the cycle to finish eventually.
Any thoughts or advice? While I don't put much stock in the bottled bacteria, I've started looking into the Dr Tims stuff or Stability as I get more desperate.
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I recommend Dr. Tim's one and Only. You'll be cycled in 3-5 days.

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Why not test Nitrite and Nitrates yet?
At least that will tell you if you are stopped at step 1..

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I am stopped at step 1. That's the problem. Since the ammonia isn't decreasing, it means it's not being converted into nitrite.
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Ugh.. cycling help pls

That's crazy. I started two 10 gallon tanks cycling 5 days ago and already have nitrite readings in both. Maybe the ammonia you added is not good? The bacteria obviously agree with me

Add some brine shrimp. Two cubes in each 10 gallon got me to about 4ppm ammonia and now 1ppm nitrite in 5 days.

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I did the Dr Tim's and ammonium chloride..... Still took mine 6 weeks to cycle. 5 weeks for ammonia /ammonium, one week for nitrites. But my pH was crazy low..... About 5.0-5.2

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I know you don't want hitchhikers, but you can still use some clear water from your established tanks to start the bacteria growth.
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I'm using the same Ace Hardware 10% ammonium hydroxide solution that I've been using ever since I learned about fishless cycling. Literally the same bottle. Can the stuff expire? It still smells like ammonia.

Maybe it's a combination of lower temperature and fluctuating/lower pH? Im not too keen on adding another source of ammonia just yet. The Dr Tims stuff seems to get the same 50/50 review that other bottled bacteria get. The one time I tried it (I forget what brand) the time it took my tank to cycle was the same as when I don't add anything. I'm not above trying it again though.
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Water from other tanks wont exactly help cycle another...


It's basically trying to gather snow. Would it be easier to gather snow in the air? (i.e. water) Or on the ground, plants, houses, etc? (substrate, plants, filter, etc)


It may help to bump up the temperature to 84-86 F to give the bacteria a 'boost'. Once cycled, you can remove the heater, or drop the temp.
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Well... a week of using Seachem Stability and Im actually making progress. My ammonia tests was still an emerald green 4ppm before I started dosing, and now a week later Im finally ammonia free. I may have to rethink my stance on bottled bacteria. I just dosed the ammonia back up to 2ppm and will test to see how quickly it processes.
Im super stoked. My cool, calm attitude about being in no rush to add fish is starting to deteriorate.
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