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Need help with ferts

I read Tom barrs no co2 method and well I'm not a botanist lol so I'm a little confused, right now I dose flourish comprehensive with root tabs and well my plants aren't doing to great, they have new growth but I have to keep trimming beggars leaves then brown and die off, I do 50% weekly water changes and from what I understood from that post is even you don't add co2 /Excel you don't do water changes? Or am I miss reading it? I'm pretty sure my light isn't strong enough even though every place I have called said it is plenty strong for what I grow, sagitaria, anubias, amazon sword, fire leaf, I have a big bio load as well which should help with nutrients..

I was going to start dosing excel but now I'm confused on how to do it if I dose excel I don't do water changes or I do water charges? If I dose excel my plants should perk up im assuming, should I dose anything else with it I saw his say kno3, kno4 and kno4(something) Please put it in simple terms as I'm new to this and I don't know what abbreviations mean right now lol.

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Water changes once a month and dose ferts once a week. Excel everyday. Dose the stuff you read about in the method.

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Water changes once a month and dose ferts once a week. Excel everyday. Dose the stuff you read about in the method.

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i agree with this formula

water changes: people have been giving out a "internet made up rule" of 50% weekley. that is overkill. I would say water change once a month is solid. I get away with 25% water changes once every 3 months.

fertz: I would recommend something like once a week. I didn't fertz my plants for a month straight, and only until then I started to notice some deficiency.

excel: You can do daily and it will benefit your tank. I get lazy and I do it only every 3 days. benefits are still there.
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Water changes once a month and dose ferts once a week. Excel everyday. Dose the stuff you read about in the method.

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In the method it was no co2, that's where I'm confused

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IntotheWRX you do monthy wc?

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In the method it was no co2, that's where I'm confused

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Excel isn't c02. It's a carbon substitute. Many folks use it just for it's algicide properties. Others for both algicide and the carbon benefit.

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This is the barr report I read, I am confused with it maybe you plant guru's can decipher it in terms I can understand lol
http://www.barrreport.com/forum/barr...on-co2-methods

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He does random water changes and gives uninformed advice on water changes and CO2 use.
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This is really the only part that matters. Dose as directed once a week and do a water change once a month. Easy peasy.

"While trace mixes can be added, I decided to use SeaChem Equlibrium instead.
It has Fe and Mn as well as Ca/K/Mg/SO4.
I will add about 1/4 teaspoon per 20 gal tank once every week or two.
This greatly enhances the growth of the plants.[censored]
I also will add about 1/8" and 1/32" teaspoon of KNO3 and KH2PO4 respectively once a week or two".
From Tom Barr.

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I don't think I can get away with once a month, maybe bi weekly as I have a huge bio load or maybe lower it to 25% I've not seen any spikes in ammonia or nitrite my nitrate is 25, so to ask as I do not know what Fe and Mn as well as Ca/K/Mg/SO4 is in looking it up, so what should I add as that was 2010 and new products are out, Excel and EQ?

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EQ, comprehensive

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I think I need to check my gh before EQ as that's what it primarily does, it's mostly used for ro/do units to put minerals back in the water, my tap water is absolutely amazing, well that's what I read from the Seachem site anyways

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My light manufacturer is emailing me the output of my light, par etc etc, that should help me with what ferts I need shouldn't it

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