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Overdose of ferts

Hi everyone, if you ever experience any kind of fertiliser overdose and toxicity problem, mind to share your experience and post any photos related to the effects of toxicity. Just now found an interesting article that mention about micronutrient toxicity. Is it possible that sometimes even we know that nutrients are readily available to plants but somehow plant just not doing well. Example, I heard too much of zinc may inhibit iron absorption and cause iron deficiency.
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That great blog is by Mr. Solencia
I'm not sure if i support micro toxicity at all.
But there are a few out there, so could be legit
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Hi everyone, if you ever experience any kind of fertiliser overdose and toxicity problem, mind to share your experience and post any photos related to the effects of toxicity. Just now found an interesting article that mention about micronutrient toxicity. Is it possible that sometimes even we know that nutrients are readily available to plants but somehow plant just not doing well. Example, I heard too much of zinc may inhibit iron absorption and cause iron deficiency.
https://classicalaquascaping.wordpre...xicity/page/2/

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I haven't seen my plants complain about over fertz. But I can see algae growing well when I dose on my HIGH SIDE (every two days). My white ceramic co2 diffuser will have a layer of yellow green, then to full green, to dark green algae that increases everyday. My rocks also grow a green haze and will turn dark green if the shrimps dont eat it in time. green dust algae will haze the glass of my tank within days.

Since then I have been running my tank leaner. I do water changes every 2 months or so. I dose about 1 time a week. My algae problem is pretty much at 0 with dosing excel.
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You'll see all kinds of BS blogs, information doesn't mean anything contained in it is true.

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My algae problem is pretty much at 0 with dosing excel.
Anyone can have zero algae if they dose enough Excel. When you don't do regular water changes, your organic content is higher, thus the algae. You wouldn't need to use excel if that wasn't the case.
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Tried it the solencio way and it was a no go. It actually got much worse, and his claim that high light somehow negates low fert levels is total bull[censored][censored][censored][censored]. Tried it while I low dosed and it was a total failure. Never seen so much BBA so fast.
Resumed normal light levels and EI dosing @ 0.2 FE and it is starting to recover finally. I expected it to end up this way but it was worth a try. I do not buy the toxicity claims at all any more, not when dosing "correct" EI levels anyways.


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Anyone can have zero algae if they dose enough Excel. When you don't do regular water changes, your organic content is higher, thus the algae. You wouldn't need to use excel if that wasn't the case.
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i do what i wanna do. i have my own style, you have your own. just because we disagree on how we run our tanks doesn't mean you have to make personal attacks on me on this forum. lay off my back please.
Where' the personal attack? I'm stating a fact about using Excel.

BTW, since you brought up personal attacks I'm not sure why you think it's O.K. to have two user IDs? Your not fooling anyone. It's pretty obvious that @MacDre2016 and you are the same person. Stop trying to BS everyone.
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Where' the personal attack? I'm stating a fact about using Excel.

BTW, since you brought up personal attacks I'm not sure why you think it's O.K. to have two user IDs? Your not fooling anyone. It's pretty obvious that @MacDre2016 and you are the same person. Stop trying to BS everyone.
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I wish ppl would do away using excel...
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I wish ppl would do away using excel...
how come?
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Cause this sterilizer is unnecessary. If overdosed it can kill off plants and shrimp, not sure about other fauna.

Idk, I like natural over chems.
Water changes will solve a lot of issues with balance if nutrients and light.
Not a personal attack but like a tank more naturally developed...
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I could see the excel when you don't have co2, dosed at low dosage, but people abuse it and things start dying when they could have just done some of the things @StrungOut mentioned. Most people don't take the necessary stems to avoid algae at tank startup especially.
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Cause this sterilizer is unnecessary. If overdosed it can kill off plants and shrimp, not sure about other fauna.

Idk, I like natural over chems.
Water changes will solve a lot of issues with balance if nutrients and light.
Not a personal attack but like a tank more naturally developed...
oh wow i didnt know it can kill plants. about what range is considered overdose? I think the bottle says a capfull for 10 gal once a day. I dose about 60% of a cap every other day for my 9 gal. how many capfulls would it start killing stuff?

i like all natural too.
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I don't know how much to overdose
I don't see excel as a source of co2 despite seachems claims, if co2 is a macronutrient and excel is liquid co2 then why can you not overdose it like you can with pressurized injection.

With your amount your dosing, shouldn't be enough to overdose so i think your good.

Here's a chemical burn of excel. I don't have pictures of it melting stuff, this is all i could pick up. I know syngonanthus, vallisneria, some mosses are sensitive to[censored]the stuff.

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oh wow i didnt know it can kill plants. about what range is considered overdose? I think the bottle says a capfull for 10 gal once a day. I dose about 60% of a cap every other day for my 9 gal. how many capfulls would it start killing stuff?

i like all natural too.

Well it is obviously toxic enough to kill off algae at small doses. Some plants are known to be more sensitive then others.


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