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PPS PRO Has been changed?

So poking around on the PPS Pro site.....

https://sites.google.com/site/aquati...r/home/pps-pro

Things have changed? Micro doses are now being recommended at 2 drops per 10g ?

I noticed nilocg recipe on his site is the old recipe and dosing, hopefully he can chime in on this.

Is there another thread on these changes that I missed?

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Hmm yea i am also very interested in seeing what the pros have to say about this. I saw this last night and was wondering why did each website have different measurements, im getting my pps pro kit soon so i would like to know what dosing is better ?
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Micros were always .1ml per 10 gallon as far as I remembered.

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Micros were always .1ml per 10 gallon as far as I remembered.
How long have you been dosing PPS? I'm curious as to when it changed.

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My PPS Pro supplies from GLA was 1ml per 10 gallon for micro and macro (about 1.5 years old). Since then there has been a lot of discussion regarding micro toxicity. I belive the recommended dosage for Micros in the EI formula have also been reduced (not sure to what level).
I'm sure others will chime in with more info.


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From the Greenleaf site - Plantex CSM+B 28.6 grams (Trace Elements (TE) recipe updated 4/11/2016, previous recommendation was 40 grams),


If 28.6g of TE yields .01 PPM FE then 40g of TE would have yielded approx .013 PPM. However, the site also states that the previous recommendation prior to 4/11/16 was 1ml per gallon, so if both the dose and the mix changed, the reduction in PPM cannot be 10 fold from .1 ppm to .01ppm, not exactly. Unless the product itself changed.

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So poking around on the PPS Pro site.....

Things have changed? Micro doses are now being recommended at 2 drops per 10g ?

Is there another thread on these changes that I missed?
Edward made some changes to his site earlier in the year, late Spring maybe.
Also he included a nitrate-free recipe for PPS Pro.

I think many have accepted that previous dosing methods could create micro toxicity issues.
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Edward made some changes to his site earlier in the year, late Spring maybe.
Also he included a nitrate-free recipe for PPS Pro.

I think many have accepted that previous dosing methods could create micro toxicity issues.
I wonder why it's at 0.1ml per 10 gallons? Kind of makes dosing nano tanks under 5 gallons a PITA.
Oops! 2 drops fell in my 5 gallon shrimp tank. I just double dosed my micros.
I would have thought they would keep the doses from bottle 1 and bottle 2 identical. Just makes life simpler.

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Just make weaker solution, like 2.9 g micro for 500 ml bottle and you can dose 1 ml daily for 10 gallon.
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From the original 40g to 2.9g ? Were we overdosing that much? Omg my grand children won't need to buy CSM+B. Lol

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From the original 40g to 2.9g ? Were we overdosing that much? Omg my grand children won't need to buy CSM+B. Lol

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This chance as well as a possible change to EI dosing were just brought to my attention. I havent made the change yet, but may do it soon in the future. The change in micro dosing for PPS doesnt seem all that well thought out. Why .1 per 10g instead of just reducing the amount of CSM+B in the bottle 10 fold and still dose 1ml per 10g like we are still doing for the macros?
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Wow thats a big change


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This chance as well as a possible change to EI dosing were just brought to my attention. I havent made the change yet, but may do it soon in the future. The change in micro dosing for PPS doesnt seem all that well thought out. Why .1 per 10g instead of just reducing the amount of CSM+B in the bottle 10 fold and still dose 1ml per 10g like we are still doing for the macros?
Exactly what I thought. I kind of thought something that drastic of a change, to something a lot of us do daily would have been posted in here as a hot topic, or maybe I just missed it.

So nilocg, you figure nel's suggestion of 2.9g per 500ml is the way to go to keep life simpler?

Has anyone switched over to these new dose rates for PPS? Any updates on it?

This may be the reason for the TDS climbs and shrimp deaths we've seen as well. Come to think of it, most of my shrimp deaths only incurred it tanks I dosed, even then I only dosed at 50% of the old recommendation.

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Exactly what I thought. I kind of thought something that drastic of a change, to something a lot of us do daily would have been posted in here as a hot topic, or maybe I just missed it.

So nilocg, you figure nel's suggestion of 2.9g per 500ml is the way to go to keep life simpler?

Has anyone switched over to these new dose rates for PPS? Any updates on it?

This may be the reason for the TDS climbs and shrimp deaths we've seen as well. Come to think of it, most of my shrimp deaths only incurred it tanks I dosed, even then I only dosed at 50% of the old recommendation.

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I was under the impression that PPS-PRO used to suggest 40g CSM+B, in that case I would suggest 4g. Im not sure where 2.9 came from but it would probably be ok as well.
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