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I have 2 tanks main. One 55g and one 38g. My 38g, the water is crystal clear, and my fish are perfectly healthy in it. My 55g has had a set back. It first started with fertilizer. I was doing some diy stuff, over dosed the tank, and after about a hundred 50% water changes every other day, the water finally got better. The fish were fine, but a tone of leaves on my plants melted off. That's been over a month or longer ago. Since then my plants are growing great, I've tried to keep them trimmed and I added alot of pond snails to try and eat up any decaying plants I missed. Then about 2 weeks ago, I decided to cap my eco complete substrate with black diamond sand. My hair grass was having trouble sticking, so I wanted some finer soil. Since then, I broke out with a huge algae bloom. The water was thick green. (Again fish seemed fine) after cutting back lighting hours and doing water changes the water is clearing again. The past week, my water has had this slight white gaze in the water. So slight, it won't even pick up on camera. But the fish started dying of droupsy, all my bettas, 1 angle fish and a good number of guppies.

Could this slight haze be from dying plants I might not can see from the capping the dirt, or did I mess with the good bacteria by covering up the older subtract with new subtract. I removed most of my fish and put them in my 38g tank, and since then they are living fine. I just wonder what this little haze is and when will my water be clean enough to add my fish back.

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It could be a number of things. Seeing that you have the fish out, get some Jungle Clear Water or if you have a gram scale you can go buy much cheaper, neat potassium permangenate at the pharmacy, I think there is dosing instructions on wikipidia, so won't repeat.

It will oxidize (burn) the crap out of organic stuff and leave your water clear.

You will need to use an antibiotic like kanamycin to deal with the dropsy (bacterial infection of the kidneys).

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I agree with Nordic that it could be many things. If you are wondering if you messed up your cycle by capping, the best thing to do is to test your water. As for any dead plant matter that may have been buried, I'd just vacuum the tank to remove it. You removed the remaining fish, so no harm done.
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It could be a number of things. Seeing that you have the fish out, get some Jungle Clear Water or if you have a gram scale you can go buy much cheaper, neat potassium permangenate at the pharmacy, I think there is dosing instructions on wikipidia, so won't repeat.

It will oxidize (burn) the crap out of organic stuff and leave your water clear.

You will need to use an antibiotic like kanamycin to deal with the dropsy (bacterial infection of the kidneys).
What you say burn the organic stuff, does that include my live plants?

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I agree with Nordic that it could be many things. If you are wondering if you messed up your cycle by capping, the best thing to do is to test your water. As for any dead plant matter that may have been buried, I'd just vacuum the tank to remove it. You removed the remaining fish, so no harm done.
I tested the water. That's all good. And I still have my largest angle fish and 2 platies in there. I couldn't add my angle fish in my other tank cause I have one the same size and they fight like dogs.... so far these fish are staying alive but I'm scared to add back my other fish til that haze is gone.


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Depending on the dilution it may harm organic things, but as the saying goes, the poison lies in the dose. The jungle product is very good. One of the few product lines that actually kept the Jungle name after Tetra bought them out. If used as per directions, it will oxidise the organic haze in your tank, and maybe break down some mulm off the floor. Keep oxygen levels high to deal with the fallout of dieing algae etc. It is broken down pretty fast by light, and even by just doing its job, you will see the purple fade as it gets used up. Wait at least two days before dosing this if you added prime or some other dechlorinator. I'd find a bucket or something large enough to keep the fish in. Silver scaled fish are often very sensitive.

But, before you do anything, if this is a new/cycling tank, this is almost normal and should go away with water changes/mechanical filtration alone.

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Not not new, probably 5 months old now.

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Chances are you fixed the problem with the tank. Fish often develop diseases (or we can only see symptoms) quite a while after exposure to bad parameters. Have you tried purigen in the filter yet? I think we need to tackle this problem with mechanical filtration first.

PS remember to wipe the inside of the glass on the pane facing the front. Fine crap getting stuck in the biolayer on the glass, does nothing positive for clarity.

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Chances are you fixed the problem with the tank. Fish often develop diseases (or we can only see symptoms) quite a while after exposure to bad parameters. Have you tried purigen in the filter yet? I think we need to tackle this problem with mechanical filtration first.

PS remember to wipe the inside of the glass on the pane facing the front. Fine crap getting stuck in the biolayer on the glass, does nothing positive for clarity.
Lol yes I cleaned the inside of the glass. Just kinda habit when doing water changes. Sine the algea bloom I quite doing drastic water changes, just been topping off evaporated water. I also removed the co2 for more oxygen.... the water has looked good for about a week now, but I still haven't added my other fish back. I'm kinda hoping the eco system will straighten itself out since this all happened when I started messing with it

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Oh also something weird. Every pond snails I dropped in the died...

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