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post #1 of 8 (permalink) Old 04-06-2016, 08:41 PM Thread Starter
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Please help determine deficiency

First let me say I've been a huge fan of this site for over 4 years but I've never posted anything because, well I can ALWAYS find my answers from digging around. You guys are the best!!

I'm unfortunately at my wits end with this problem and I'm sure it will be easy for someone to guild me on the issue so here is all my tank specs and what's wrong.

55g
Pressure CO2 on timer. 6-8 bps in a huge DIY 30" reactor
CO2 on from 9am - 730pm

New LED Current satellite pro plus sitting on glass lids.
On from 11am to 9pm

Bubble Magnus auto doser. Dosing exact EI daily.

Ferts
500ml beakers at 15ml per day everyday with 2 mixture of
KNO3 6 teaspoons in one beaker
KH2PO4 2 teaspoons in 2nd beaker

Then I have 2 tablespoons per 500ml in the 3rd beaker of CSM+b dosing 8ml per day.

Religious weekly waterchanges I would think I have a really great and stable tank but this deficiency is killing me. Every time I tweek something I throw off my tank and algae explodes. I keep resetting back to this and the plants do well but there is something wrong

Red Mellon sword - great growth but leaves are crinkled and twisted.

Glosso - used to grow nice and low now just shoots to the sky

S. Repins - have dark veins giving this tiger pattern leaves off.

Four leaf clovers - pale deformed new growth

Anubis - pain grown with slight deformed leaves and the same dark veins like the S. Repins.

Red tiger lotus - Grows like a weed and looks perfect!

I tried to take a lot of pictures of everything because a picture is worth a million words. Any advice is GREATLY APPRECIATED!!!! Thanks everyone!
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Not 100% sure but the sword looks like a kleiner Prinz sword, and if it is I believe that veiny leaf pattern is part of its natural growth, everything else I have no idea
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The swords leaf patterns are beautiful and always have been like that. It's the shapes of the new leafs. They are twisted and warped.


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Unbalanced Iron Fertilization. Iron influences the onset of manganese deficiency symptoms. Manganese
in the absence of iron, or with little iron, may be the toxic agent bringing about iron chlorosis. Just a thought regarding the anubia symptoms:
http://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/1....tb05042.x/pdf
'...manganese deficiency appeared
if the ratio of iron to manganese was greater than 2-0, but if it was less than 2-0 the
symptoms of iron deficiency appeared.'
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I have all the fertilizers to fix it. Any recommendations? I have cleated iron 10% with DTPA and Seachem iron. Add some during water changes? Add more to my CSM+B doses? How much?Thanks for the help!


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I have all the fertilizers to fix it. Any recommendations? I have cleated iron 10% with DTPA and Seachem iron. Add some during water changes? Add more to my CSM+B doses? How much?Thanks for the help!


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Look at what you are currently dosing and find the ratio of iron to Mn. If the iron is more than 3 to 1Mn, reduce iron. If it is less than 3 to1Mn, increase iron. Or, the other way is to reduce or increase Mn, but that would be harder most likely since Mn is not normally sold alone. I think you need to play with the iron. Seachem makes a liquid iron. I would add some iron to your micros when you dose. How much I don't know. You'll have to figure that out based on your regular micro dosing. Worth a try! But remember, if you have too much iron to mn, that will also be a problem. So if you are dosing with iron, and then adding more with flourish, that could be your problem. It goes either way.
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This is a great start thank you. I'll post an update in a week or two. See what happens.


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My connection got cut off, so I added more to the post. Anyway, you can also be adding too much iron to mn. Look closely at those amounts.

You may want to watch this thread, it has some information that is new to me, and may explain many iron deficiency issues I read about on this forum:

https://www.plantedtank.net/forums/8-...-ph-6-3-a.html

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