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MiracleGro trial... HELP!

Ok, Ive read alot about the use of ammonium in miraclegro and that its bad news for fishes. What do you think of making a large batch of the blue miracle gro then placing ammonia remover crystals in a media bag then putting the bag in the miracle gro mixture. I am thinking about waiting 24-48 hours for the ammonium to absorb in the crystals then storing my ammonia-less fert in sealed/dark containers?

What do you think?

Dosing in small amounts once a week?

Also Jobes spikes @ 1/3 stick under ferns, crypts, and swords?


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Hoppy... Overstocked... Lauraleebp... anyone?


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OK, now I know you guys are looking at this post, can someone please RSVP. OK IVE HAD IT, IM GONNA DO IT AND POST ABOUT HOW IT KILLED MY FISH OR MADE MY PLANTS GROW.

IN THE NAME OF SCIENCE...


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The ammonium is a source of nitrogen in the fertilizer that is broken down into nitrate by microbes in the soil. By using ammonium remover crystals, you are essentially removing most of the nitrogen from the mix. Check the label and see if there is a source of nitrate in the mix. If not, you may need to add an additional source of nitrate for your aquatic plants.
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Thank you, for your response. I will check, right now! What would be a source?


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why are you doing this?
You can get KNO3 if you need Nitrogen.

It's safer to bury the jobes spike in the substrate so NH4 doesn't harm the fish.
FYI, NH4 triggers algae... Just to let you know what you're getting into.


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Here is the analysis
Total Nitrogen (N) 15%
5.8% Ammoniacal Nitrogen
9.2% Urea Nitrogen
Available Phosphate (P2O5) 30%
Soluble Potash (K2O) 15%
Boron (B) 0.02%
Copper (Cu) 0.07%
0.07% water soluble copper (Cu)
Iron (Fe) 0.15%
0.15% Chelated iron (Fe)
Manganese (Mn) 0.05%
0.05% chelated Manganese
Molybdenum (Mo) 0.0005%
Zinc (Zn) 0.06%
0.06% water soluble zinc (Zn)

Derived from Urea, Ammonium Phosphate, Urea Phosphate,
Potassium Chloride, Boric Acid, Copper Sulfate, Iron EDTA,
Manganese EDTA, Sodium Molybdate, and Zinc Sulfate.


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Urea will not work for your nitrogen source either. In simple terms, urea is first converted to ammonium by the enzyme urease (universally abundant in most soils, not sure if it occurs in aquariums though). It is then converted to nitrates by microbes in the soil. It works kind of like a slow release nitrogen source.
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Miracle gro is not an aquatic plant fertilizer. It has too much phosphorous, nitrogen from bad sources, and too little potassium - in my opinion. Buy KNO3 and KH2PO4 and, if you prefer a powder form of trace element mix, some CSM+B from:
http://www.aquariumfertilizer.com/
http://www.greenleafaquariums.com/aq...ertilizer.html
for just two examples of online stores you can use, one on the west coast and one on the east coast.

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Ok Hoppy, I will discard my concoction! CSM+B... what is plantex? is that a brand?


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Plantex is a brand of hydroponic fertilizers, I think. I haven't been able to find out much about that name by searching with Google. It is, however, the most popular, by far, of the powdered trace element mixes for planted tanks.

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http://www.plantexsolutions.com/ but i dont think you can order directly from them.
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How many doses can I get from a 1 pound supply, for use in a light-medium planted 75G?


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How many doses can I get from a 1 pound supply, for use in a light-medium planted 75G?
You can do the math as well as any of us, I'm sure.

Let's assume the following:

60 80 Gallon Aquariums
+/- 3/4 tsp KN03 3x a week
+/- 3/16 tsp KH2P04 3x a week
+/- 1 tsp once a week (water change only)
+/- tsp (15ml) Trace 3x a week
50% weekly water change

If we assume Plantex is similar to CSM+B, then 1 teaspoon weighs 4.3 grams. 1/4 teaspoon thus weighs 1.075 grams. One pound is about 453 grams.

Thus, one pound has 421 doses of 1/4 teaspoon. If you are dosing 3 times a week, using the EI regimen, then you have 421/3 = 140 weeks worth of trace mix.

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I dont have to do the math... You just did Anthony Thanks partner!

P.S. I couldnt do the math without the product instructions

BTW, do i need those other ferts also? KN03 and NPKTDQRST04 or whatever?


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