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Is RO filter wasting water?

RO filters are not wasting water when used with aquariums.
Here is an example of cleaning up 400L aquarium from 600 S to 340 S with tap versus RO.

With 330 S tap
30% WC, 600 -> 510 (- 90)
30% WC, 510 -> 450 (- 60)
30% WC, 450 -> 410 (- 40)
30% WC, 410 -> 383 (- 27)
30% WC, 383 -> 365 (- 18)
30% WC, 365 -> 353 (- 12)
30% WC, 353 -> 345 (- 8)
30% WC, 345 -> 340 (- 5)
Total amount of used water ≈ 1000 L

With 10 S RO
30% WC, 600 -> 403 (- 197)
16% WC, 403 -> 340 (- 63)
Amount of used RO clean water ≈ 200 L
Amount of used RO waste water ≈ 800 L at 1 : 4 drain ratio
Total amount of used water ≈ 1000 L

Cleaning up aquariums properly with tap and RO uses the same amount of raw water.

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The slower process, using 8 water changes is easier on the fish.
If you did 2 of these water changes per week for a month the fish would have a month to get used to the lower TDS. Even the most sensitive fish can handle this slow change.

The faster process, using just 2 water changes is too fast for the fish. They need more time to adjust their metabolism to the greatly reduced TDS.
If you use RO water to do this, do much smaller water changes and let the process take time.
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Hi Diana
How hard would it be on fish when being moved from 6 to 4 dGH?

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In my experience, most fish are not overly stressed by the proposed change of 2 dGH in the aquarium water. It is still gradual when we change the water in our aquariums. Think of it as the weekly flash flood . I find it more problematic when people dunk fish in another aquarium with different water parameters without providing time for fish to adapt to the new water ( stress also from moving + new aquarium). However there are other things in the water that influence the osmotic pressure that are not measured by the General Hardness.

The bigger thing here is why would one aim at a specific conductivity/TDS when growing plants ???


Will plants die at 410 S and blossom at 310 S ? What is the impact on the plants between changing your water with tap ( say NO3=0, PO4=0, GH=10, KH=8, high conductivity) and (remineralized) RO (NO3=0, PO4=0, GH=3, KH=1, low conductivity) ? I say remineralized as under normal conditions you will run into Mg deficiency pretty fast if using pure RO. Bottom line, it is not the conductivity that matters, it is what makes it high.

I've grown plants using both hard tap water and remineralized RO. Very different values in conductivity, mainly due to different values in GH and KH. In both cases I would notice a small increase during the week due to EI fertilizing, evaporation, by-products. It would revert to standard value with the 50% WC. Difference in most plants was minimal, just needed to adjust my CO2.

Now, some shrimps and fish do require very soft water, and are sensitive to this issue. RO water will therefore be needed from the start . However, the shrimps/fish will respond in different ways if the conductivity increased due to KH/GH increase or due to nitrates build-up or other factors. How sensitive are CRS to an increase in conductivity when KH was kept low I have yet to determine but my guess is that the real problems come from increased KH/GH.

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