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Fertilizer testers Needed (testing closed)

Testing Is Closed at this Time. Thank You.

I am developing my own root fertilizer system and I am looking for a few people to test them out. I need some specific things from these people:

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Before pic of plant (out of water) before root tab (next to ruler or tape measure)
After pic of tank
After pic of plant (out of water, next to ruler or tape measure) (at 1, 2 and 3 week measures)

I need to know what substrate you are using and if you are currently using root tabs. Anyone who has a tank that is newly setup and willing to test this out would get dibs, as long as you can meet the above. Looking for tanks with heavy root feeders. I would like to spot test prior to filling the tank with these tabs. The dosing and size of tabs might likely change.

This is a comprehensive fertilizer with all nutrients needed.

I ask that none of this be shared with the public until I have reviewed the results.

If interested, PM me. Please include plant types, tank size, type, lights, co2, ferts. I prefer low tech, non co2, low fertilizer tanks.

I know this seems picky, but I want to be able to measure results. I might setup a small forum just so we can track the results. I will likely be picky with the initial testers. I want to make this as controlled as possible. Anyone willing to run controls( with tab, without, side by side) would be great. This product is similar to Ferka.

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I should note I will ship these to you free of charge. I will also ship you some of the final product for free for your trouble, as well as giving you recognition for your help!
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I never imagined I would have trouble giving away quality root fertilizers.... If I don't get some testers I might just offer them for sale. I'd rather test out this first batch and make sure I am not crazy in my success with them!
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I will be more then happy to help out! I am dealing with a GW problem at the moment but will help out for sure. Just let me know what I have to do.

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One possible problem with your testing: there are no "heavy root feeders". All plants can feed from the roots or from the leaves. The plants with the extensive root systems are generally those that, in nature, have to cope with dried up bodies of water, so they need good roots to survive that season. Others with big root systems grow in fast flowing water, and need roots to anchor them in place.

This is relevant, because to really test your substrate fertilizer you need to limit the use of water dosing - no EI dosing, for example. Otherwise there will be no way to evaluate the effectiveness of the substrate fertilizer. And, of course it will be most relevant if you use only an inert substrate, either pool filter sand or flourite, expecting the flourite tanks to do better than the sand tanks due to the high CEC of that substrate.

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I think when I say "heave root feeders" people generally refer to plants like crypts and sword plants. It think a difference can be noticed in plants even in column dosed thanks(in my experience. The root structures seem to indicate so, at least.

I have done all of my testing in tanks with OIL Dri or Crushed coral. I have 3 tests running now for 3 months and I am waiting to show the results until I start offering these, but I am quite happy.

Hoppy, do you have a LT tank with minimal dosing that you would be willing to try these out in. Again, from what I can tell the closest product to them is Ferka, though I intend to be far more affordable.
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I will be more then happy to help out! I am dealing with a GW problem at the moment but will help out for sure. Just let me know what I have to do.
What I need is an email to with the subject title "Fertilizer Test"

In the email include your mailing address. I will try to mail these out by end of the week. Still having some of them made. Please include your forum screen name in the email.

If you could also include the tank specifics(size, substrate, flora, dosing, lights, co2, etc) I would appreciate it for tracking.

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Thanks. This will in no way make me rich. Reality is it has consumed hundreds of hours of my time, as well as a LOT of money. For me to break even at the prices I intend to sell them for will take a long time. I really just want a quality root tab that has everything for a managable price. I am sick of the options out there, so thought I would give it a shot. It has been a lot of fun.

I plant on offering two types: All in one, and All in one PLUS boosted iron. Swords seem to love the added iron.
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I think when I say "heave root feeders" people generally refer to plants like crypts and sword plants. It think a difference can be noticed in plants even in column dosed thanks(in my experience. The root structures seem to indicate so, at least.

I have done all of my testing in tanks with OIL Dri or Crushed coral. I have 3 tests running now for 3 months and I am waiting to show the results until I start offering these, but I am quite happy.

Hoppy, do you have a LT tank with minimal dosing that you would be willing to try these out in. Again, from what I can tell the closest product to them is Ferka, though I intend to be far more affordable.
All I have now are 3 ripariums, all low tech, but with few aquatic plants. And, I do dose by EI method. Sorry, it would be fun to try this.

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I never imagined I would have trouble giving away quality root fertilizers.... If I don't get some testers I might just offer them for sale. I'd rather test out this first batch and make sure I am not crazy in my success with them!
Hi Overstocked ...

Congratulations on your goals ... and know that I will encourage you in your endeavor.

I used to sell ferts and you will often see my name associated in that context on many planted aquarium forums. I played with a variety of "diy" approaches to substrate fertilization strategies. Sold my own version of root tabs that utilized the diy approaches ...

You will join a long list and a large group of people who have done the same ...

Your strategy of seeking a variety of testers is good because performance varies wildly based on plant species, substrate, water hardness, water flow, and an unbelievable number of other variables ...

Personally ... I think root tabs are fantastic for centerpiece amazon swords and many of the generic sword family of plant varieties ... in many cases, these featured (centerpiece) plants do well with the supplemental root feedings where in the same aquarium many other species will see little or no noticeable benefit.

I also love them in low tech planted aquariums with very low light and zero water column nutrient dosing ...

There is a place for a high quality root tab ...

Your strategy of seeking a variety of testers will be valuable in helping identify specific environments where this value can be demonstrated ...

Best wishes ...
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Greg, thanks for your kind words. I love your guide, btw.

I am really just hoping to offer a quality, affordable high nutrient substrate fertilizer that is easy to obtain. As YOU know, making money in this endeavor is more than challenging. Convincing people to take these for free has been hard enough!

If nothing else, in the end I will show everyone my methods, dosing, and system and offer it for them, though I doubt many people will go through the work to make them, despite offering what appears to be a superior root fertilizing system over commercial tabs.

This is my 7th formulation, and 3rd method. I am very happy with this one and thus the reason I felt the need to find a way to offer them publicly. Hoping for more people to pick them up this week for a mid to late week ship. Still having some produced right now.
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Seven tanks currently kept with five types of substrates. Three of which might meet your guidelines. Two are injected the rest currently are not. One 55g for sure as a low tech and non dosed with aged gravel and 10lbs. of Flora Base. Root tabs are all it sees with an occasional splash of CSM+B, Fe or K2SO4. Source water is awful so RO in all tanks with the mineral content built back with Rex's grumpy mix.
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Before pic of plant (out of water) before root tab (next to ruler or tape measure)
After pic of plant (out of water, next to ruler or tape measure) (at 1, 2 and 3 week measures)
Pulling the plants I'm not crazy about. How about in tank ruler photos next to or right behind the plant? I detail track my systems in excel regarding dosing and water parameters already so history is not a problem. Just that disturbing the substrate has caused (imo) most of the few fish problems I've had.


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When you will be working on a better mouse trap - do kindly include me into your endeavor, please!

Have you checked what fertilizers use rice growers? It has to be a ...'root fertilizer'!
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I am willing to take any people who will try them out I can. What I need is an email to with the subject title "Fertilizer Test"

In the email include your mailing address. I will try to mail these out by end of the week. Still having some of them made. Please include your forum name in the email.

I am still looking for 1 or 2 more testers. First come, first serve. If you can't follow the "rules" to a T that is just fine. What I really want is some experience from other users. Whether that be "I didn't see a change" or "I loved them, my plants loved them, I'm offering you my daughter in marriage" I don't care. Just want some feedback. ANy documentation along the way is great.

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