low GH and KH but high pH? - The Planted Tank Forum
 1Likes
  • 2 Post By Diana
 
LinkBack Thread Tools Display Modes
post #1 of 5 (permalink) Old 03-05-2016, 02:44 AM Thread Starter
Algae Grower
 
cmiley's Avatar
 
PTrader: (0/0%)
Join Date: Mar 2016
Location: Danville Ca
Posts: 32
low GH and KH but high pH?

My tap water is really soft. with both KH and GH being between 1 and 2 as far as I can tell. But the pH is up around 8. I have tried aquavitro for both GH and KH and adding an acid buffer to the water before it goes in yet I cannot get pH to stabilize. I put it in the tank and as soon as the CO2 kicks on the pH drops off to 6.6 /6.7 and won't come back up. I am confused. Is this low pH affecting my fishless cycle? I was doing some reading and adding dolomite or crushed coral to the filter is suppose to mineralize the water making it harder. If I do this it should allow the pH to stabilize, right? Then all I have to do is set the Co2 to come on when the pH rises above 6.9 and this should correct the problem, right? Any thoughts would be helpful. Thank you in advance.
cmiley is offline  
Sponsored Links
Advertisement
 
post #2 of 5 (permalink) Old 03-05-2016, 03:11 AM
Planted Tank Guru
 
PTrader: (0/0%)
Join Date: Jan 2010
Location: Contra Costa CA
Posts: 11,721
Sometimes the water company will add something to the water to keep the pH up. Acidic water is bad for the pipes.

During the fishless cycle it is best if you can add the minerals the bacteria need, including the carbonates.

Go ahead and add CO2, if you have the plants in there, too. I would set a fairly low bubble rate at first, and work on adjusting it gradually. Don't bother getting into really high levels of CO2 during cycling. Most fish that you get will not be acclimated to high levels of CO2, and you would just have to reduce the CO2 when you get the fish.

Do not add anything like acid buffer. The pH is not so much the problem, as the low mineral levels.

After the tank cycles you can alter the water to suit whatever fish you are keeping. This means getting the minerals right. Not the pH.

Are you on East Bay MUD? The water is too soft for the bacteria to thrive. Here is how I handled this:

Test the KH, and add potassium bicarbonate or sodium bicarbonate (baking soda) to raise the KH to at least 3 German degrees of hardness, and higher is just fine. The bacteria get their carbon from the carbonates.

Test the GH and add Seachem Equilibrium or Barr's GH booster until the GH is at least 3 German degrees of hardness, and higher is just fine. You can also add some plant fertilizer such as KH2PO4, and trace minerals. The bacteria need similar elements as plants. Don't bother adding any KNO3, though. The plants and the bacteria will use the ammonia, and monitoring the NO3 is one of the things you will be doing to keep track of the fishless cycle.

You could use dolomite, coral sand or similar materials (limestone, calcium carbonate etc.) to do the same thing. These materials act more slowly, though. I use the materials above to prepare the water, and keep coral sand or other things in the filter to act when the initial dose of minerals starts getting used up.

Don't worry about what the pH is doing.
Monitor the GH and KH, and keep it up there as long as you are growing the bacteria.
thedood and thedood like this.
Diana is offline  
post #3 of 5 (permalink) Old 03-05-2016, 03:14 AM Thread Starter
Algae Grower
 
cmiley's Avatar
 
PTrader: (0/0%)
Join Date: Mar 2016
Location: Danville Ca
Posts: 32
Thank you for the response also will the high ph damage the plants?
cmiley is offline  
 
post #4 of 5 (permalink) Old 03-05-2016, 05:05 AM
Planted Tank Guru
 
PTrader: (0/0%)
Join Date: Jan 2010
Location: Contra Costa CA
Posts: 11,721
Almost all the plants we grow in our aquariums are quite adaptable to a wide range of conditions.

There are a few specialty plants that will only grow in an acidic environment, but I think this is more related to the minerals in the water, not so much the pH.
Diana is offline  
post #5 of 5 (permalink) Old 03-05-2016, 06:23 PM Thread Starter
Algae Grower
 
cmiley's Avatar
 
PTrader: (0/0%)
Join Date: Mar 2016
Location: Danville Ca
Posts: 32
Diana,
Thank you for the information. Upon testing No3 in the tank this morning I am seeing an increase in ppm. I added baking soda last night to the tank. I believe the low KH and GH was really slowing the fishless cycle if not stopping it. Now I may actually be able to add fish this year.lol. Have a good one.
Chris
cmiley is offline  
Reply

Tags
None

Quick Reply
Message:
Options

Register Now



In order to be able to post messages on the The Planted Tank Forum forums, you must first register.
Please enter your desired user name, your email address and other required details in the form below.

User Name:
Password
Please enter a password for your user account. Note that passwords are case-sensitive.

Password:


Confirm Password:
Email Address
Please enter a valid email address for yourself.

Email Address:
OR

Log-in










Thread Tools
Show Printable Version Show Printable Version
Email this Page Email this Page
Display Modes
Linear Mode Linear Mode



Posting Rules  
You may post new threads
You may post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off
Trackbacks are On
Pingbacks are On
Refbacks are On

 
For the best viewing experience please update your browser to Google Chrome