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JustAGirl_FL's first planted tank

I set up this 10 gallon tank up two weeks ago and it will be used for a betta, a couple of mystery snails, and some Amano or ghost shrimp. My LFS gave me some cycled water to kickstart the process and so it only took 1.5 weeks for the cycle to complete. Right now I have two mystery snails (Kirk and Picard) in there and they've been zooming around eating algae and biofilm. The water is cloudy right now because I just did a partial water change. The reflection in the top right is the old TV show, Adam-12.

I have some anacharis along the left side and back wall, two Cryptocoryne Wendtii Red in the front left, a Madagascar lace plant in the back right corner, and a banana plant behind that ball of Subwassertang. On the driftwood are three Anubias Coffefolia, and in front of the MLP is a Java fern on a piece of Malaysian driftwood. I have a few more plants coming in a couple days thanks to an awesome member of this forum. Oh, and I'm using Black Diamond blasting sand for my substrate.

The anacharis is going crazy and I've already had to trim it back so I'm not sure how long I'm going to keep it in the tank. It would already be gone if my daughter didn't like it so much.

I have some more pieces of Malaysian driftwood hidden in there to try to bring down the pH in my tank since it's 7.8, 8.4 out of the tap. If that doesn't work then I'll buy RO/DI water from my LFS to mix with my tap water. I'm not adding any more fauna until I get the pH thing figured out and stable.

This has been a really fun project and I honestly had no idea how much there was to learn. I'm still not sure about fertilizers so if anyone has any recommendations I'm all ears.
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Nice tank!

My water is 7.8 pH as well which is high compared to the ideal but you don't need rodi water just for that. Especially if you want to keep a betta. They are pretty hardy.

For fertilizer look into ThriveC if you don't plan to add pressurized co2.


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I would not add amano shrimp as they like lower pH than you currently have. As stated above bettas (the 'flashy' kinds you see in cups at the store-crowntail, veiltail, halfmoon, delta, plakat, etc etc) will be fine in your pH. I didn't see mention of the tank size? Keep in mind mystery sails make a LOT of poop and need a large tank-10g for just 1, I'd recommend 15g-20g or larger for 2 of those.
btw that lace plant will dominate the tank in time, be ready to trim off leaves as they get too massive.

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Nice tank!

My water is 7.8 pH as well which is high compared to the ideal but you don't need rodi water just for that. Especially if you want to keep a betta. They are pretty hardy.

For fertilizer look into ThriveC if you don't plan to add pressurized co2.

I don't plan to add pressurized CO2. The expense and the learning curve just don't interest me for such a small tank.


I'm hoping that the Malaysian driftwood does the job. My LFS guy seems to think it will.

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I would not add amano shrimp as they like lower pH than you currently have. As stated above bettas (the 'flashy' kinds you see in cups at the store-crowntail, veiltail, halfmoon, delta, plakat, etc etc) will be fine in your pH. I didn't see mention of the tank size? Keep in mind mystery sails make a LOT of poop and need a large tank-10g for just 1, I'd recommend 15g-20g or larger for 2 of those.
btw that lace plant will dominate the tank in time, be ready to trim off leaves as they get too massive.

I know the Madagascar lace will need a lot of trimming but I figure the betta should like it because the leaves sit so high up in the water. Besides, it's much easier to keep neat than that stupid anacharis. I told my daughter when she came home from work today that it's not long for this world.



Dangit about the mystery snails. Everything I've looked at says you can put 2 - 3 in a ten gallon (I updated the information above) if you don't have many other fish. Since I plan to just have a betta I thought it'd be fine. On the other hand I have an Aquaclear 30 on the tank so hopefully the extra filtration will help with the snails.



I know the shrimp won't like the pH which is one of the reasons I'm trying to find a way to lower it. Worst case I cut it with RO/DI water, best case the Malaysian driftwood corrects it. If it becomes too difficult to keep the pH lower and stable then I'll forgo the shrimp.


I do appreciate the information so thank you.
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I would not add amano shrimp as they like lower pH than you currently have. As stated above bettas (the 'flashy' kinds you see in cups at the store-crowntail, veiltail, halfmoon, delta, plakat, etc etc) will be fine in your pH. I didn't see mention of the tank size? Keep in mind mystery sails make a LOT of poop and need a large tank-10g for just 1, I'd recommend 15g-20g or larger for 2 of those.
btw that lace plant will dominate the tank in time, be ready to trim off leaves as they get too massive.

I have several false amanos (very similar) and they do just fine in degassed ph 7.8-8.2 in both my 10g and 40b. Ofcourse I add equilibrium to bring my GH from 1 to 4-5. Goofy PNW water. The false amanos and a couple false juliis and a betta are probably the only original inhabitants from when I first started these two tanks and have survived relearning fish keeping and a substrate change or two midway thru.


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I have several false amanos (very similar) and they do just fine in degassed ph 7.8-8.2 in both my 10g and 40b. Ofcourse I add equilibrium to bring my GH from 1 to 4-5. Goofy PNW water. The false amanos and a couple false juliis and a betta are probably the only original inhabitants from when I first started these two tanks and have survived relearning fish keeping and a substrate change or two midway thru.

I hadn't heard of false Amanos. I'll have to look those up.



My KH is 3 and my GH is 7, both out of the tap and in the tank. I don't have a TDS meter yet so I'm not sure if I'm going to have to do anything about those readings.
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I’d move Aquaclear (20?) a couple inches to right so input tube is hidden behind wood, moving current over a bit will also push lace bulb leaves more over into right corner.

Then get you some red root floaters and you should be able to get them to hang out in that front left corner over wendtii. Betta love this stuff, bubble nest will soon be built.

Good looking floater with blood red roots. Floaters have high metabolism because they can get all light and co2 they want at surface, great water cleaner so that haze in your water will disappear in about a week.



Betta love slightly old tannin stained water so let wood do it’s thing, just change enough water to keep PH up about 7.2 and GH around 4-5 for your snails, you don’t want to acidic for them. Your off to great start.
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I hadn't heard of false Amanos. I'll have to look those up.



My KH is 3 and my GH is 7, both out of the tap and in the tank. I don't have a TDS meter yet so I'm not sure if I'm going to have to do anything about those readings.

I think your water parameters are pretty good IMHO. Not sure if others would agree. The KH should keep the PH pretty stable and the GH is high enough to not decentegrate your invertebrate shells.


False amanos are just what we call them, they are similar to regular amanos and have been sold at petco and the likes being called amanos. Pretty sure they come from the same area in the wild, have similar habits and sometimes even look similar.


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Iíd move Aquaclear (20?) a couple inches to right so input tube is hidden behind wood, moving current over a bit will also push lace bulb leaves more over into right corner.

Then get you some red root floaters and you should be able to get them to hang out in that front left corner over wendtii. Betta love this stuff, bubble nest will soon be built.

Good looking floater with blood red roots. Floaters have high metabolism because they can get all light and co2 they want at surface, great water cleaner so that haze in your water will disappear in about a week.



Betta love slightly old tannin stained water so let wood do itís thing, just change enough water to keep PH up about 7.2 and GH around 4-5 for your snails, you donít want to acidic for them. Your off to great start.

It's a 30, but that's a great idea. Originally, the anacharis was planted to hide it but that's not working so moving the filter itself will work. Moving the lace plants leaves further over will be a nice bonus. As for the red root floaters, great minds think alike! I have some coming tomorrow. I looked all over locally and a few places online and everyone was out or I'd already have some.


Tannins in the water won't bother me, mostly because I do know that the bettas love it, but I do like the look. Thanks for the information about the pH and GH levels I should be shooting for. That makes planning for me a lot easier.
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I think your water parameters are pretty good IMHO. Not sure if others would agree. The KH should keep the PH pretty stable and the GH is high enough to not decentegrate your invertebrate shells.


False amanos are just what we call them, they are similar to regular amanos and have been sold at petco and the likes being called amanos. Pretty sure they come from the same area in the wild, have similar habits and sometimes even look similar.

OK, that makes sense. I did a search last night and everything kept leading me back to this forum. I'll take a look at Petco once I get everything set.
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OK, that makes sense. I did a search last night and everything kept leading me back to this forum. I'll take a look at Petco once I get everything set.

Here are some threads, one is mine, the other the second or third post list some follow on threads that were worth reading. Not a big deal as the false amanos and regular amanos require basically similar/same care.



https://www.plantedtank.net/forums/8...mano-size.html


https://www.plantedtank.net/forums/8...bably-not.html


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Here are some threads, one is mine, the other the second or third post list some follow on threads that were worth reading. Not a big deal as the false amanos and regular amanos require basically similar/same care.



https://www.plantedtank.net/forums/8...mano-size.html


https://www.plantedtank.net/forums/8...bably-not.html

Yep, those are the ones that came up in my Google search.
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