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Twinstar 1200SP on a UNS 120U

Local guys talked me into getting a UNS 120U, which is 24” high. I just ordered it today. I really want to get the Twinstar 1200SP, but I’m worried that it won’t have enough PAR. What are your thoughts, advice and opinions?


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So, decided against the 120s. Personally I like the 120U :-)
Now, as for the Twinstar, unfortunately I have now knowledge. @jeffkrol should be able to offer some good information to help with your decision.


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Local guys talked me into getting a UNS 120U, which is 24” high. I just ordered it today. I really want to get the Twinstar 1200SP, but I’m worried that it won’t have enough PAR. What are your thoughts, advice and opinions?
At $430 part of your answer is there.. it better..
to be honest, at that price point "I'd" lean more towards 2 AI Prime freshwater..

https://www.ukaps.org/forum/threads/...f-light.43178/
Rough idea of a comparison
Alternate to the twinstar is the weaker Chihiros. Need 2.. opps think they aren't long enough.. so ..
https://www.amazon.com/Beamswork-FSP...gateway&sr=8-3
2 @ 48"..



There are others but it depends on what "form" you like or overall color tone/spectrum.. i.e Fluval ver2


you want "money is no object lighting 2 Radion xr15 gen4 freshwater (when all is said and done.. $1300-ish) or an Orphek
or 2 uns titans..

@ 115 gallons "great" LED light isn't cheap..
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OH I know this is more "saltwater" but it has some possibilities for freshwater if you like the more "crisp blue white" look..
https://www.amazon.com/dp/B07L5LHWNW...il_aax_0?psc=1
2 for $200....

Last but not least:
https://sbreeflights.com/sbox-freshw...ter-plant.html

Need a list of your need/wants.. and why..

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They do make a 120cm Chihiros wrgb but they're not available on amazon... still probably need 2 for 24" height 24" depth...
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They do make a 120cm Chihiros wrgb but they're not available on amazon... still probably need 2 for 24" height 24" depth...
AFAICT 120 diodes but oly 60cm long.. (24").
https://www.aliexpress.com/item/Chih...E&gclsrc=aw.ds

OK.. FOUND the real 120cm..
https://www.aliexpress.com/item/Chih...E&gclsrc=aw.ds

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AFAICT 120 diodes but oly 60cm long.. (24").
https://www.aliexpress.com/item/Chih...E&gclsrc=aw.ds

OK.. FOUND the real 120cm..
https://www.aliexpress.com/item/Chih...E&gclsrc=aw.ds
I meant the twinstar knockoff version~ https://www.aliexpress.com/item/2019...932875938.html

they make your first one in 120cm also! https://www.aliexpress.com/item/Chih...999394409.html
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I meant the twinstar knockoff version~ https://www.aliexpress.com/item/2019...932875938.html

they make your first one in 120cm also! https://www.aliexpress.com/item/Chih...999394409.html

Thanks.. see that now.. blink and things change..

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Is the Chihiros WRGB going to have enough PAR for 60cm or 48"? I read that their apps have a lot of bugs, but I don't care, because Twinstar doesn't even have any of those bells or whistles. As long as the Chihiros WRGB turns on and off, I'm happy. Plus, I could probably add a controller later.


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Is the Chihiros WRGB going to have enough PAR for 60cm or 48"? I read that their apps have a lot of bugs, but I don't care, because Twinstar doesn't even have any of those bells or whistles. As long as the Chihiros WRGB turns on and off, I'm happy. Plus, I could probably add a controller later.
Just me being me, the Chihiros WRGB "may" work. And I only say that given what I know about my particular lights. The Radions I have are rated at 95 watts each. I have 2 of them and I typically run them at around 50% power. The WRGB is also rated at 95 watts, but that power is obviously spread out over the 120cm length by what appears to be a pretty decent width. Just guessing you should be able to generate over 80 par at substrate with 100 par being possible, but I suspect not likely. With my lights, the diffuser panel (available separately) does cut down on par by 25% ish. This is why I suspect you won't get over 80 par.
Jeff likely could generate much more scientific information using his software models.


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Is the Chihiros WRGB going to have enough PAR for 60cm or 48"? I read that their apps have a lot of bugs, but I don't care, because Twinstar doesn't even have any of those bells or whistles. As long as the Chihiros WRGB turns on and off, I'm happy. Plus, I could probably add a controller later.


WRGB shouldn't be too much different:
50cm = approx 20"


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I would get two Chihiros Vivids. 130W each(same as RGB Solar) is more than enough light(even for your 24" high tank) and you can configure the spectrum which is already supposed to be close to the ADA RGB Solar. These are their flagship model with much better quality than the RGB.

Nothing is a clone of the Twinstar that is a small little company, the Chihiros lights are meant to be clones of ADA models these a clone of ADA RGB Solar.

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Well I have the impression that besides the solar rgb all the ada leds that the twinstars were basically a knockoff of use just white diodes... like the a series and then I call the rgb and rgbw twinstar knockoffs because they have diodes more like the twinstars than the ada leds and the a series is more like an ada knockoff?
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There is"stuff" everywhere...

https://www.aliexpress.com/item/DHL-...1-d13cf1644350

120cm is $70...
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Power:76W
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With lighting it is more what you like when looking at the aquarium. Many of the lights will grow plants. I don't think Planted tank lights are looked at as hard as Reef tank lighting. There can be vast differences in LED's when you put them on and tank and start measuring Par. While a light may look strong with Human eyes the meter will show just how weak a light is. Each person sees color a little different had has different reasons why they choose one light over another. If you get a chance some time to go to a national show you get to see these lights next to each other. That to me is the best just of which light "you" should buy. Sadly hardly any LFS has these lights in stock and on a tank so you can see for yourself. Lights are perhaps the most resold piece of equipment on an aquarium. You see people cycle to lights like crazy never seaming to find a light that works for them.
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Well I have the impression that besides the solar rgb all the ada leds that the twinstars were basically a knockoff of use just white diodes... like the a series and then I call the rgb and rgbw twinstar knockoffs because they have diodes more like the twinstars than the ada leds and the a series is more like an ada knockoff?
Ada Solar RGB and Chihiros Vivid is a totally different light than the others, not even comparable, different spectrum, 130 watts you do not see the different colored LEDs.

Twinstar, uses different colored LEDS not just white, you see the different colored LEDs, I have the 600s, spectrum is totally different, punchier reds with an overall red cast to the light, its 45W for 60cm and 108W at 120cm. It is much more powerful than ADA models except the A602 which is two A601s. I don't think the 1200S would be powerful enough at 30" from the substrate unless you need only Medium/Low light. The spectrum cannot be changed although I have mine running on a 3rd party dimmer.

The Chihiros WRGB has similar power to the Twinstar S Series 50W at 60cm and 95W at 120cm and a similar looking heat sink but its not the same light or an attempted copy of Twinstar spectrum and appearance is totally different. The spectrum is tuneable but it its even less powerful than the Twinstar and wouldn't be enough light unless you were okay with Medium/Low Par.

The A series and RGB are not even options here as they are less powerful than even the WRGB.
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