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[Wingsdlc]

Just thought you might want to see what E. Tennellus sp pink looks like filled in. I love it.

My E. Tennellus get a little bit of color to them but nothing like that! What is your set?

[Torpedobarb]

Originally Posted by Hungry Wendigo

It still seems large and spacious even with all the growth, which I think is a great effect. It looks awesome (especially those barbs!). Any advice on where to look for petrified wood? I'm not having any luck at the LFSs.

I'm sure this is a very beginner question, but what is the plant in the front on the far left? Some sort of val/sag? Are any of your plants suitable for a low tech setup?

believe it or not I am new to this hobby.. only got this tank at the very end of march last year.. I have learned the hard way on everything I have done with this tank.. one thing I do know is that the smaller the fish the larger the tank looks.

sending a pm on some of those plants.

[jjp2]

Originally Posted by Torpedobarb

one thing I do know is that the smaller the fish the larger the tank looks.

This why you removed the rainbows? Those congos will get large too. I had some that got to 3 - 3 1/2 inches.

Might explain why my 60 seemed like a 20 and my 125 seems like a 55 with my rainbows.

[Torpedobarb]

I also removed the rainbows because they were trying to eat my neons at the time and the ottos.. they actually succeeded in killing a few.

so bye bye they went. I don't mind having some larger fish. but I cut back on the amount of schooling fish by 1/2

[MikeS]

My Red Iranian Rainbows went bye bye for eating otto's.

[jjp2]

I had gotten some small oto's, like 1/2 inch, and hadn't seen them for a while ... hmmmm...

[Torpedobarb]

Originally Posted by jjp2

I had gotten some small oto's, like 1/2 inch, and hadn't seen them for a while ... hmmmm...

uh huh.. I wouldn't put anything past em. smaller ottos are harder to keep until the get bigger.. not only because of other fish nipping at them, but they aren't very healthy from what I have read.



damn Mike.. I have a rule kinda.. if one type of fish is causing fish deaths.. they gotta go. either I give them away or sell them.. or they get the almost frozen ice water treatment.

[ben314z]

Originally Posted by Torpedobarb

...or they get the almost frozen ice water treatment.

Please say you're joking.

[Torpedobarb]

Originally Posted by ben314z

Please say you're joking.

why joking? I am totally serious. It is one of the most humane ways to euthanize a fish. They hit the ice cold water and their system shuts down almost immediate and they die within 10 seconds.

if you flush a fish down the toilet they live for hrs in torture, burning their gills in the waste..

I would prefer the ice treatment any day over that. Like I said.. I try to give them away or sell them. if no takers.. that is what happens. I am not going to keep fish that stress out the rest of the fish to death. sorry

[Boryxs]

isnt better boiling water?

[Torpedobarb]

not that I know of.. the cold sends the body into shock and they die very quickly.

[rich815]

Originally Posted by Torpedobarb

not that I know of.. the cold sends the body into shock and they die very quickly.

This site:

http://homepage.ntlworld.com/faustus...euthanasia.htm

Agrees with you on the whole "Temperature Shock" method as they call it. And a lot of other discussion and talk about other wonderful fish euthanizing methods....

In regards to your issues with your rainbows. I have three bosemanii and 4 praecox that have been living peacefully for over a year in my 72 gal with 6+ ottos, 35 cardinal tetras and numerous other similar sized tetras (Golden, Espei, Red Phantom) and pencilfish. No problems at all. This may be because I bought all the rainbows pretty young and small but even in their bigger state now (and they are BIG, especially the bosemanni) they never chase nor bother any other fish. Mostly chase themselves.

[Torpedobarb]

It is a very delicate issue to discuss to alot of fish keepers. I am a member of another board and it turned into a brutal discussion (argument) that ended with myself being called a ruthless murderer.. anyway.. it is and has been the way I have done it in the past.

my rainbows were purchased at a larger size.. so that must have been why. I don't know

[Characins]

I prefer the old clove oil and vodka method. Clove oil is like anethesia, it puts them to sleep. The vodka ensures they don't wake up.

Sometimes your fish just will not live any longer and euthinasia is needed. Getting rid of a fish because you don't like it is crazy in my opinion though. I would only ever euthinize a fish if I knew it wasn't going to make it. NTD or Tuberculosis are usually the only things I will ever do it for. And I've only had to once.

[Torpedobarb]

Originally Posted by Characins

I prefer the old clove oil and vodka method. Clove oil is like anethesia, it puts them to sleep. The vodka ensures they don't wake up.

Sometimes your fish just will not live any longer and euthinasia is needed. Getting rid of a fish because you don't like it is crazy in my opinion though. I would only ever euthinize a fish if I knew it wasn't going to make it. NTD or Tuberculosis are usually the only things I will ever do it for. And I've only had to once.

it wasn't just because I didn't like them.. they were killing other fish and stressing the others out. I tried to give them away.. and no takers. lfs wouldn't take them. so I had to do what I had to do.