please post substrate pics I am most interested in seeing

sherry · 03-11-2004, 03:57 AM

tanks with Red Flourite
Black Flourite
Eco-Comlete

trying to figure out which to use in a 30 gallon cube tank with a black background.

thanks so much

oh and all opinions are also welcome

SCMurphy · 03-11-2004, 01:24 PM

If this is your first planted tank I'd vote for a mix of Eco-Complete and Tahitian Moon Sand. It will grow plants and you will be able to get plants to stay where you put them. Besides, I am partial to a black substrate.

I haven't seen black flourite anyplace yet, not that I would actually look for it, so I can't offer an opinion about it.

crystalgolem · 03-11-2004, 01:52 PM

I am using Seachem Onyx Sand...which is black and seems to be doing well for my plants. It is not as fine as "sand" you would get at the Home Depot...but my plants stay put and are growing rapidly.

sherry · 03-11-2004, 04:34 PM

can you tell me what tahitian moon sand is?

can I see pics of your tank?

thank you so much

sherry · 03-11-2004, 04:41 PM

Okay better question, since I saw pic of TMS on Big Als.. .

why mix tahitian moon sand and eco complete instead of all eco complete?

Does it hold the plants down better. ?

SCMurphy · 03-11-2004, 04:54 PM

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Originally Posted by sherry

Okay better question, since I saw pic of TMS on Big Als.. .

why mix tahitian moon sand and eco complete instead of all eco complete?

Does it hold the plants down better. ?

Yes, that is, this is what I have been lead to believe from the postings here on the forum.

malkore · 03-11-2004, 07:03 PM

Except, I planted a 20gallon with straight eco complete, and not a single plant has floated up out of the substrate. I see no reason to mix TMS with Eco, unless you like the look.

There is no 'black' flourite...there's normal, and red. Onyx sand is indeed a coarse, heavy grain, and it will increase your pH and Kh by a small, but measurable amount.

aquaverde · 03-11-2004, 07:44 PM

Also, Onyx sand is grey, not even a dark grey. And Moon sand is very fine, inert, and $20 a bag. It lasts about 24 hours on the surface with Onyx in my tank with MTS. After that, it's appearance is a disappearance below the surface. Buck was the pioneer here with Eco plus Moon sand. Maybe he'll chime in.

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SCMurphy Moderator (View User Tanks) PTrader: (4) Join Date: Oct 2003 Location: Maryland USA Posts: 2,936	If this is your first planted tank I'd vote for a mix of Eco-Complete and Tahitian Moon Sand. It will grow plants and you will be able to get plants to stay where you put them. Besides, I am partial to a black substrate. I haven't seen black flourite anyplace yet, not that I would actually look for it, so I can't offer an opinion about it. __________________ Sean Aquascape? I'm a crypt farmer. It's a fine line between fishing and standing on the shore looking like an idiot. That IS an aquascape, it's titled "The Vacant Lot".

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crystalgolem Algae Grower (View User Tanks) PTrader: (0) Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: Nashville, Tennessee Posts: 23	I am using Seachem Onyx Sand...which is black and seems to be doing well for my plants. It is not as fine as "sand" you would get at the Home Depot...but my plants stay put and are growing rapidly. __________________ 10 Gallon- Onyx- AquaClear100 (2 Sponges, Filter Floss, & Ceramic Rings)- Hagen CO2 & Ladder- Ebo Jager- 2x13watt Compact Flouro (6,400k)- 1x15watt T8 (20,000k)- 1 Molly, 2 Otto's, 4 Corydoras, 1 Black Mystery Snail, 2 Ghost Shrimp.

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malkore Planted Tank Guru (View User Tanks) PTrader: (0) Join Date: Nov 2003 Location: Lincoln, NE Posts: 2,165	Except, I planted a 20gallon with straight eco complete, and not a single plant has floated up out of the substrate. I see no reason to mix TMS with Eco, unless you like the look. There is no 'black' flourite...there's normal, and red. Onyx sand is indeed a coarse, heavy grain, and it will increase your pH and Kh by a small, but measurable amount. __________________ Malkore Filstar XP2 PIMP #3 Visit my aquarium pages - see specs on my tanks, and photos of how they've evolved

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aquaverde Watanabe Bulu (View User Tanks) PTrader: (4) Join Date: Apr 2003 Location: Mid-Hudson Valley, New York Posts: 1,403	Also, Onyx sand is grey, not even a dark grey. And Moon sand is very fine, inert, and $20 a bag. It lasts about 24 hours on the surface with Onyx in my tank with MTS. After that, it's appearance is a disappearance below the surface. Buck was the pioneer here with Eco plus Moon sand. Maybe he'll chime in. __________________ James

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sherry Algae Grower (View User Tanks) PTrader: (1) Join Date: Mar 2004 Location: New York City Posts: 93	tanks with Red Flourite Black Flourite Eco-Comlete trying to figure out which to use in a 30 gallon cube tank with a black background. thanks so much oh and all opinions are also welcome

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sherry Algae Grower (View User Tanks) PTrader: (1) Join Date: Mar 2004 Location: New York City Posts: 93	can you tell me what tahitian moon sand is? can I see pics of your tank? thank you so much

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sherry Algae Grower (View User Tanks) PTrader: (1) Join Date: Mar 2004 Location: New York City Posts: 93	Okay better question, since I saw pic of TMS on Big Als.. . why mix tahitian moon sand and eco complete instead of all eco complete? Does it hold the plants down better. ?

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