It sounds bad but....

**bsmith782** · 05-09-2008, 04:56 PM

How much Excel do I need to put in an ADA Mini-M to kill remaining RCS but hopefully not my Otos?

I have some snowballs coming and would rather kill a few baby RCS that I can't even see then risk cross breeding.

Come to think about it i'll probly just take my otos home tonight.

How much Excel do you think?

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joy613 · 05-09-2008, 04:59 PM

Why not get a bigger fish and stick in there to eat your shrimp then take the fish home?

**bsmith782** · 05-09-2008, 05:05 PM

Good suggestion, but its at work and that seems like it would take too long.

I hade a tank with RCS and a betta and the RCS still survived.

Wasserpest · 05-09-2008, 05:09 PM

I'd take the Oto home... If you have a suitable fish and you are not in a rush, Joy's suggestion would work, although if it is densely planted most likely some baby shrimp will learn to avoid the predator and survive.

But it sounds like you have not enough time so...

A couple of years ago it would have amazed folks if you were trying to get rid of Cherries. In a few years you will probably try to get rid of the Snowballs in favor for some Sulawesi shrimp.

jwarper · 05-09-2008, 05:09 PM

trying to "overdose" chemicals of any kind will foul the water and make it really dangerous for any living plants and creatures in the tank. Generally its not advised to do it at all. If you want to get rid of the shrimp, stop feeding for a day or two, and make a shrimp trap with food on the bottom. Look at this thread for more information.

http://www.plantedtank.net/forums/sh...shrimpimp.html

**bsmith782** · 05-09-2008, 05:20 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by jwarper

trying to "overdose" chemicals of any kind will foul the water and make it really dangerous for any living plants and creatures in the tank. Generally its not advised to do it at all. If you want to get rid of the shrimp, stop feeding for a day or two, and make a shrimp trap with food on the bottom. Look at this thread for more information.

http://www.plantedtank.net/forums/sh...shrimpimp.html

I understand but were talking about Excel, not Copper.

**bsmith782** · 05-09-2008, 05:21 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Wasserpest

I'd take the Oto home... If you have a suitable fish and you are not in a rush, Joy's suggestion would work, although if it is densely planted most likely some baby shrimp will learn to avoid the predator and survive.

But it sounds like you have not enough time so...

A couple of years ago it would have amazed folks if you were trying to get rid of Cherries. In a few years you will probably try to get rid of the Snowballs in favor for some Sulawesi shrimp.

Im going to take them home tonight. The tank is pretty densely planted, it's the tank in my sig.

I really would hate to get these snowballs and have them cross breed, that would be a huge waste.

phanizzle · 05-09-2008, 08:21 PM

maybe get a dwarf puffer as I have heard they would pick at shrimp

**eyebeatbadgers** · 05-09-2008, 10:57 PM

I'll shoot for an answer to your question, since no one else wants to be part of a shrimp massacre

Adding some ammonia will kill them, of course the oto will need to be gone. The ammonia will be gone in a couple days, and wouldn't harm the plants if you dosed enough to raise levels to say, 2.0 ppm or so.

I killed my first batch of cherry shrimp by putting them in an uncycled tank. Maybe you should just invite me over

Once you get rid of the shrimp, you'll have to clean up the corpses of course, which will be fun with a fully planted tank. Though I'm sure you've already thought of that.

Excel would probably be lethal in a triple dose, but maybe up to 5x wouldn't harm the plants, unless you have mosses. Then you've got a whole other problem.

Depending on your filter, taking the inlet screen off could be an option, maybe getting rid of most of the shrimp in a week's time. A strong powerhead would do the trick too, also probably benefiting the plants.

**bsmith782** · 05-09-2008, 11:13 PM

At least you understand im not enjoying offing these shrimp, but it's just the smart thing to do.

BTW, great ideas Mengele!

**eyebeatbadgers** · 05-09-2008, 11:19 PM

Well, I am an Orkin man....

**A Hill** · 05-10-2008, 12:50 AM

Excel is going to be kinda tough since most things can take elevated doses fine it seems.

Ammonia is a good idea.

Why not CO2? Seems the obvious choice to me. put up a few diy bottles and call it a night, next day the problem is solved.

-Andrew

**oblongshrimp** · 05-10-2008, 12:53 AM

Agreed CO2 is the easiest way. If you use ammonia you will likely have an algae bloom. Excel can be used but it melts some plants in high doses and I have never killed shrimp with it so I have no idea how much it would take. You could aways try using hydrogen peroxide. Since its such a small tank if you do happen to miss any you can always remove them as you seem them. You should be able to spot most of them before they reach breeding age.

**A Hill** · 05-10-2008, 01:12 AM

CO2 is so easy to do though... maybe an hour setting the bottles and stuff up max if he doesn't run pressurized (don't think he does)

I have ammonia gassed a hundred cherries before on accident though...

-Andrew

05-09-2008, 04:56 PM	#1 (permalink)
bsmith782 Anubis-X (View User Tanks) PTrader: (51) Join Date: Jan 2007 Location: St.Louis, MO Posts: 1,572	It sounds bad but.... How much Excel do I need to put in an ADA Mini-M to kill remaining RCS but hopefully not my Otos? I have some snowballs coming and would rather kill a few baby RCS that I can't even see then risk cross breeding. Come to think about it i'll probly just take my otos home tonight. How much Excel do you think? __________________ FilStar proponent #91 cube and mini-m http://www.plantedtank.net/forums/pl...be-mini-m.html

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bsmith782 Anubis-X (View User Tanks) PTrader: (51) Join Date: Jan 2007 Location: St.Louis, MO Posts: 1,572	Good suggestion, but its at work and that seems like it would take too long. I hade a tank with RCS and a betta and the RCS still survived. __________________ FilStar proponent #91 cube and mini-m http://www.plantedtank.net/forums/pl...be-mini-m.html

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Wasserpest Born to be mild (View User Tanks) PTrader: (49) Join Date: Jun 2003 Location: Monterey, CA Posts: 8,936	I'd take the Oto home... If you have a suitable fish and you are not in a rush, Joy's suggestion would work, although if it is densely planted most likely some baby shrimp will learn to avoid the predator and survive. But it sounds like you have not enough time so... A couple of years ago it would have amazed folks if you were trying to get rid of Cherries. In a few years you will probably try to get rid of the Snowballs in favor for some Sulawesi shrimp. __________________ Click here for answers to all your questions All my tanks Cheap Autodosing Cheap Water Change Cheap Filter Acrylic Filter Pipes

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05-09-2008, 10:57 PM	#9 (permalink)
eyebeatbadgers Moderately Obsessed (View User Tanks) PTrader: (14) Join Date: Aug 2007 Location: Madison, TN Posts: 983	I'll shoot for an answer to your question, since no one else wants to be part of a shrimp massacre Adding some ammonia will kill them, of course the oto will need to be gone. The ammonia will be gone in a couple days, and wouldn't harm the plants if you dosed enough to raise levels to say, 2.0 ppm or so. I killed my first batch of cherry shrimp by putting them in an uncycled tank. Maybe you should just invite me over Once you get rid of the shrimp, you'll have to clean up the corpses of course, which will be fun with a fully planted tank. Though I'm sure you've already thought of that. Excel would probably be lethal in a triple dose, but maybe up to 5x wouldn't harm the plants, unless you have mosses. Then you've got a whole other problem. Depending on your filter, taking the inlet screen off could be an option, maybe getting rid of most of the shrimp in a week's time. A strong powerhead would do the trick too, also probably benefiting the plants. __________________ Filstar #105

05-09-2008, 04:59 PM	#2 (permalink)
joy613 Algae Grower (View User Tanks) PTrader: (0) Join Date: Jun 2007 Location: Kannapolis, NC Posts: 29	Why not get a bigger fish and stick in there to eat your shrimp then take the fish home?

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jwarper Algae Grower (View User Tanks) PTrader: (0) Join Date: Apr 2005 Location: Chicago, IL Posts: 30	trying to "overdose" chemicals of any kind will foul the water and make it really dangerous for any living plants and creatures in the tank. Generally its not advised to do it at all. If you want to get rid of the shrimp, stop feeding for a day or two, and make a shrimp trap with food on the bottom. Look at this thread for more information. http://www.plantedtank.net/forums/sh...shrimpimp.html

05-09-2008, 11:13 PM	#10 (permalink)
bsmith782 Anubis-X (View User Tanks) PTrader: (51) Join Date: Jan 2007 Location: St.Louis, MO Posts: 1,572	At least you understand im not enjoying offing these shrimp, but it's just the smart thing to do. BTW, great ideas Mengele! __________________ FilStar proponent #91 cube and mini-m http://www.plantedtank.net/forums/pl...be-mini-m.html

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eyebeatbadgers Moderately Obsessed (View User Tanks) PTrader: (14) Join Date: Aug 2007 Location: Madison, TN Posts: 983	Well, I am an Orkin man.... __________________ Filstar #105

05-10-2008, 12:50 AM	#12 (permalink)
A Hill 7.5 hours later.. (View User Tanks) PTrader: (46) Join Date: Jul 2005 Location: RI,USA Posts: 4,050	Excel is going to be kinda tough since most things can take elevated doses fine it seems. Ammonia is a good idea. Why not CO2? Seems the obvious choice to me. put up a few diy bottles and call it a night, next day the problem is solved. -Andrew __________________ Atlanta was fun, now I'll be around for a while hopefully! Yeah I have some moss/shrimp addiction problems. At least I'm not in the red because of them, yet. J'étais Fish Newb

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oblongshrimp Planted Tank Enthusiast (View User Tanks) PTrader: (31) Join Date: Jul 2006 Location: Phoenix, Arizona Posts: 868	Agreed CO2 is the easiest way. If you use ammonia you will likely have an algae bloom. Excel can be used but it melts some plants in high doses and I have never killed shrimp with it so I have no idea how much it would take. You could aways try using hydrogen peroxide. Since its such a small tank if you do happen to miss any you can always remove them as you seem them. You should be able to spot most of them before they reach breeding age.

05-10-2008, 01:12 AM	#14 (permalink)
A Hill 7.5 hours later.. (View User Tanks) PTrader: (46) Join Date: Jul 2005 Location: RI,USA Posts: 4,050	CO2 is so easy to do though... maybe an hour setting the bottles and stuff up max if he doesn't run pressurized (don't think he does) I have ammonia gassed a hundred cherries before on accident though... -Andrew __________________ Atlanta was fun, now I'll be around for a while hopefully! Yeah I have some moss/shrimp addiction problems. At least I'm not in the red because of them, yet. J'étais Fish Newb