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Old 01-01-2011, 01:06 AM   #346
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As a Eheim pimp club member, you must appreciate build quality...or you don't belong. The SunSun does do it's job, but compared to an Eheim, it's laughable in build quality. I never said it didn't work, just that it's a cheap piece of crap. I can't believe even people that endorse the filter would deny that.
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Old 01-01-2011, 01:41 AM   #347
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My Eheim requires 5x as much work as both of my Sunsun's combined. The only reason I own one is b/c I caught it for a great price and wanted to see what all the hype was about. Only to discover that it was just that...Hype. Nice try though...
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Old 01-01-2011, 03:53 AM   #348
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My Eheim requires 5x as much work as both of my Sunsun's combined. The only reason I own one is b/c I caught it for a great price and wanted to see what all the hype was about. Only to discover that it was just that...Hype. Nice try though...
Please explain 5x the work.
What eheim do you have?
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Old 01-01-2011, 06:40 AM   #349
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Old 01-01-2011, 03:19 PM   #350
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I've owned 2 Eheim 2213 Classics and one Eheim II 2026. I have an Eheim 2026 and 2213 sitting upstairs, unused. I am running a SunSun 303B right now on an ADA 90-P. I am also using an ADA metal stand. I have used ADA pipes, Cal Aqua Pipes, and cheap knockoff pipes.

My personal feeling is, through my various experiences, that higher quality makes more of a difference in some areas than others. It's up to each individual to decide how the price/performance relationship fits his or her needs and income.

The Eheims I have are built to be much more physically sturdy than the SunSun. Having said that, I prefer to look at and work with the SunSun. I like the design better. The Eheim is built tougher, but I prefer to use the SunSun.

You will get opinions on both sides of the fence, and neither side is wrong. It's all about personal preference. However, please don't automatically attach "crap" to "cheap". Something can be cheap without being crap.
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Old 01-01-2011, 04:37 PM   #351
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My Eheim requires 5x as much work as both of my Sunsun's combined. The only reason I own one is b/c I caught it for a great price and wanted to see what all the hype was about. Only to discover that it was just that...Hype. Nice try though...
Hmmm? What a strange statement...So your your Ehiem required 5x the maintenance ( probubly due to the smaller surface area) then the 2 Sunsuns you bought just to try out (probubly the 2nd Sunsun after liking the 1st) but then you discovered that even though they require less maintenance then your Eheim (obviously) and therefore perform better you came to the conclusion that neither the 1st or 2nd Sunsun you bought met the expectations of what others were claiming.

Have you sold them yet?
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Old 01-01-2011, 05:57 PM   #352
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There will always be naysayers, but this thread speaks for itself. There are too many of us that are happy with our Sunsun's for one person's negative opinion to make a difference.
You make a very good point. Thank you.
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Old 01-01-2011, 06:40 PM   #353
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I have never owned a sunsun and am certainly not going to bash something I have never held in my own hands so take from this what you will

After researching the sunsun filter in an effort to help a member that had a question about purchasing the correct filter for his tank I noticed that from a design/function stand point they are engeneered to filter like a Rena XP series filter and also like the Eheim pro series filters. This design has it's pros (easy maintenance, multiple media choices due to different compartments) and cons (good amount of flow by of tank water that doesn't get ran through the filter media and is not filtered one bit, lots of flow loss due to filter media being filled with detritus, priming is tougher). If with this type of design (XP/Eheim pro) your not getting a lot of flow loss when nearing filter cleaning time then unfortunately you are getting even more flow by that does not come into contact with the media than I had suspected. That is not good at all.

I first started many years ago with the XP filters. This was my first foray into canisters and because of my ignorance thought that they were simply the best filters in the world. Then I found a great deal on craigslist while looking for a python WC system that also included an Eheim pro 2222 this us a great little filter like the renas and has the same design with top of filter intake and outflow and baskets with media.

After awhile I submitted to all the hype and promising words of people who swore by Eheim classic series filters. After purchasing my first one held it in my hands and witnessed the efficiency of these filters I knew that I would probably never buy any other type of canister filtration device.

Currently I own a XP1, XP3, Eheim pro 2222, 5 Eheim 2213's, 2 2215's and 2 2217's. Again remember that the other filters were owned first and only late did I purchase the classic series filters and now love them.

Here's a funny tidbit of info. I purchased a used 2217 from someone on a forum, when I received it I was expecting to see the Made in Germany imprint on the top. But no I found a made in west Germany imprint! This is an old filter and I have no idea how long it has actually ran but what I do know is that it has provided me with over 1.5 years of silent and efficient filtration and I expect that to last for quite some time.

So that's how I feel about canisters. As I stated right off, I have never owned a sunsun so can not speak anything negative or positive except what I have found in it's design but I'm also a firm believer in the fact that more often then not you do get what you pay for. Happy new year!
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Old 01-06-2011, 11:27 AM   #354
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How would one use Purigen with the sunsun filter effectively? I can't find any threads that talks about success when using it in a canister filter. Some even made a separate reaction for it which I something i don't have space for.
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Old 01-06-2011, 12:57 PM   #355
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For all my canisters I usually just throw one of the purigen pillows and/or purigen in a pantyhose "bag" in the top basket. It doesn't fill the entire basket, but it still works and the purigen still turns colors so I know it is helping. I usually try to put it on top of the last layer of fine filter floss I use.

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Old 01-06-2011, 04:49 PM   #356
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Agreed. I just tossed a small bag in the top basket. Doesn't come close to covering all the surface area, but it still gradually turns brown.
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Old 01-07-2011, 07:01 PM   #357
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What are you guys talking about!?!?

I just got mine, and the thing is beast. The housing is just as good as my EHEIM, and the latching system is far better IMO. The baskets are a little on the flimsy side, but as long as I do not take a hammer to 'em they will be fine.

Very happy with my purchase from Kool Goods.

I will have a full review posted on my blog in a week or so.
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Old 01-08-2011, 05:09 PM   #358
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I think the most accurate recent post was random_alias's. There is a difference between "cheap" and "piece of crap". It made me rethink my post. He's right. I am judging a book by it's cover. Time will tell whether the important part, the pump, continues to do it's job.

I find it hard to believe, Jake, that you'd call the thing a beast. As, random_alias has made me realize, that's my only complaint, that it's not a beast. The part of me that wants to sit around and stroke robust plastics is left unsatisfied rubbing the SunSun. It is an object I cannot develop a fetish for due to the thin wall plastics. Running my fingers over the Filstar, feeling something stirring inside me, I can say, this is some fine French (Mexican in birth actually) plastic. Don't get me wrong, I can appreciate a Chinese twist as well, my Odyssea, oh the times, so many times I've looked, and wanted to touch, and touched, and cooed, and the Odyssea it coos back at me. The plastics in this one, they do not move me.

I'm sure it filters water though.

But really, is that all you want? My relationships with my aquarium equipment run deeper than just a quick filtering. Don't yours? Don't you want them to?
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Old 01-09-2011, 01:14 AM   #359
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Dongo,
What sized tank are you using it on?

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I bought a filter from discountaquatic on [Ebay Link Removed] It was the 265gph model and it came as a AquaTop 300. There was no surface skimmer included (even though it was advertised) and so I contacted the seller. I was informed that this is the new model and the skimmer was eliminated because it was causing problems (sucking in air). I got him to send me the missing part, as it was advertised, but I couldn't get the skimmer to work, wouldn't skim anything.

The spray bar cracked when I was putting it together but I managed ot fix it with some hose. Other then that the filter works well so far, quiter than my HOB filter. The english instructions weren't bad but you don't need them anyway. I never had a canister filter and I set it up just fine. Took me about 30mins to prime it with my Rex style CO2 reactor attached (which it works just fine with).

It's probably just rebranded with the skimmer removed but I suppose it could also be a new model. As mentioned before the actual flow rate is less than the 265gph.

JakeJ: The hoses on mine were 5/8" inside dia.

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Mine is running like a charm, still as quiet as the day I got it (~ 6 months). As was mentioned above though, the plastic is pretty poor quality. My spraybar cracked on me when I was trying to separate the two pieces.The latching system and quick release for the hoses are much easier IMO when compared to my eheim. I also have an eheim hooked up to the same tank as the sun sun, and the maintainance on the the eheim is always longer than the sun sun.

Pros: Cheap price, very effective filtration, easy maintainance, spray bar included, extremely silent, comes with free media

Cons: spray bar etc is cheap quality plastic and must be handles with care, the free media is pretty sparse and needs extra
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