Glass lined masonary tank.
Planted Tank Forums
Your Tanks Image Hosting *Tank Tracker * Plant Profiles Fish Profiles Planted Tank Guide Photo Gallery Articles

Go Back   The Planted Tank Forum > Specific Aspects of a Planted Tank > DIY


Reply
 
Thread Tools Display Modes
Old 07-31-2009, 06:58 AM   #1
essabee
Planted Tank Obsessed
 
essabee's Avatar
 
PTrader: (0/0%)
Join Date: Oct 2006
Location: Ranchi, Jharkhand, India
Posts: 429
Default

Glass lined masonary tank.


I have constructed another 1000 litres hole in the wall tank using bricks and mortar for the rear and both sides, the front is to be all glass and the bottom is a concrete slab. The tank is built outward from the wall of my den and the glass front, where the wall used to be, would be the viewing side from my den.

Now I have built tanks like this before and have had no problems (except rectifiable minor ones) with them. What I intend to do next with this tank; is something I have never done before - line the 3 masonry sides with glass.

I intend to use 5mm thick dark tinted glass, 27 inch high (water level to be 24") and paste them to the three sides with silicone. I would like all your advice to avoid any future problems - with the construction and the longevity of the tank.
__________________
If you have a choice, you have a problem, till you elect your choice. No choice, no problem, only consequences, learn to live with them.
essabee is offline   Reply With Quote
Sponsored Links
Advertisement
 
Old 07-31-2009, 07:17 AM   #2
CL
C-A-T-S
 
CL's Avatar
 
PTrader: (79/100%)
Join Date: Mar 2008
Location: Lexington, KY
Posts: 9,701
Default

How long are the panes going to be? Are you basically using the glass as tiles, or do you want to use them as viewing windows?
__________________
CL is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 07-31-2009, 11:10 AM   #3
essabee
Planted Tank Obsessed
 
essabee's Avatar
 
PTrader: (0/0%)
Join Date: Oct 2006
Location: Ranchi, Jharkhand, India
Posts: 429
Default

The den-side is viewing but the other 3 will basically be one huge tile each.
__________________
If you have a choice, you have a problem, till you elect your choice. No choice, no problem, only consequences, learn to live with them.
essabee is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 07-31-2009, 03:18 PM   #4
Hoppy
Planted Tank Guru
 
Hoppy's Avatar
 
PTrader: (74/100%)
Join Date: Dec 2005
Location: Sacramento, CA
Posts: 18,734
Default

Do you have any earthquakes there? Masonry is very rigid, unable to flex with earth movements. I think glass bonded to masonry would tend to crack with even minor earth movement. Then, there is the thermal expansion to think about. The water in the tank would tend to hold everything at a stable temperature, but I don't know off hand whether the coefficient of thermal expansion for glass and bricks would be enough different to lead to problems. Glass bends when you apply stress to it, so if the support behind that thin glass, by the bricks, isn't even, you could cause a stress concentration that might lead to cracks. But, using a thick enough layer of silicone adhesive might solve all of the above potential problems.

Please, take lots of photos and share them with us. This is a very interesting idea.
__________________
Hoppy
Hoppy is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 07-31-2009, 04:12 PM   #5
VisionQuest28
Planted Tank Enthusiast
 
VisionQuest28's Avatar
 
PTrader: (56/100%)
Join Date: Apr 2007
Location: Constantia, NY
Posts: 557
Default

Yes, i would love to see pics of this! Just wondering though, if you have built masonry tanks before with no real issues...why even bother with the glass? Im guessing for maintenance issues...i would guess brick and mortar grows AND holds algae like nothing else! Which really isnt necessarily a bad thing. Just extra filtration, i almost never clean the back walls on my tanks for this reason. Anyway, just to say again...i would love to see some pics of this!!!
VisionQuest28 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 07-31-2009, 04:44 PM   #6
Wasserpest
Are these real?
 
Wasserpest's Avatar
 
PTrader: (175/100%)
Join Date: Jun 2003
Location: Monterey, CA
Posts: 15,092
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by essabee View Post
What I intend to do next with this tank; is something I have never done before - line the 3 masonry sides with glass.
Have you considered painting it with epoxy paint instead? That stuff isn't cheap, but it will be easier to coat the masonry compared to lining it with glass.
Wasserpest is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 08-01-2009, 12:14 AM   #7
essabee
Planted Tank Obsessed
 
essabee's Avatar
 
PTrader: (0/0%)
Join Date: Oct 2006
Location: Ranchi, Jharkhand, India
Posts: 429
Default

No earthquakes till the ultimate one which would convert me into a diamond.

I chose silicone sealant to attach the glass for the reason that expansion and pressure points would be isolated with its cushion effect.

A smooth surface not only allows cleaning but also a surface for attachment of the several gadgets we aquarium hobbyist need in our tank.
__________________
If you have a choice, you have a problem, till you elect your choice. No choice, no problem, only consequences, learn to live with them.
essabee is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 08-01-2009, 02:22 AM   #8
Hoppy
Planted Tank Guru
 
Hoppy's Avatar
 
PTrader: (74/100%)
Join Date: Dec 2005
Location: Sacramento, CA
Posts: 18,734
Default

Would this be a workable idea for plywood tanks too? The advantage would be that you could use thin, therefore cheap and easy to handle glass. But, I admit, the epoxy seems like a more doable process.
__________________
Hoppy
Hoppy is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 08-01-2009, 04:48 AM   #9
essabee
Planted Tank Obsessed
 
essabee's Avatar
 
PTrader: (0/0%)
Join Date: Oct 2006
Location: Ranchi, Jharkhand, India
Posts: 429
Default

Epoxy -------- The end result is soooooooo ugly. I rather use thicker glass or go back to my earlier material - granite.
__________________
If you have a choice, you have a problem, till you elect your choice. No choice, no problem, only consequences, learn to live with them.
essabee is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 08-01-2009, 02:57 PM   #10
BottomFeeder
Planted Tank Obsessed
 
BottomFeeder's Avatar
 
PTrader: (5/100%)
Join Date: Jul 2008
Location: Cary, NC
Posts: 316
Default

As the group on Badman's said it is a challenge to say the least. Personally I would go with granite for all but the viewing window. It can't help but settle and crack.
__________________
Eheim Pimp #381
Raleigh Aquarium Society Member
BottomFeeder is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 08-01-2009, 03:56 PM   #11
Hoppy
Planted Tank Guru
 
Hoppy's Avatar
 
PTrader: (74/100%)
Join Date: Dec 2005
Location: Sacramento, CA
Posts: 18,734
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by BottomFeeder View Post
As the group on Badman's said it is a challenge to say the least. Personally I would go with granite for all but the viewing window. It can't help but settle and crack.
Wouldn't a good foundation prevent the settling and cracking? Fireplaces have been made of brick for many years, and they aren't especially prone to cracking. If a fireplace is built with an inadequate foundation it will settle and tilt or crack - I once had a house that demonstrated that (after I sold it!)
__________________
Hoppy
Hoppy is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 08-01-2009, 05:22 PM   #12
BottomFeeder
Planted Tank Obsessed
 
BottomFeeder's Avatar
 
PTrader: (5/100%)
Join Date: Jul 2008
Location: Cary, NC
Posts: 316
Default

Yes, foundation is everything. I'm sure he knows what he is doing with the masonry. I have seen lots of fireplaces settle and crack and they weren't holding all of that weight.

I'm thinking more about the glass shifting and cracking though as it potentially settles differently than the masonry around it. Two materials reacting to the environment differently.
__________________
Eheim Pimp #381
Raleigh Aquarium Society Member
BottomFeeder is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 08-02-2009, 03:08 AM   #13
essabee
Planted Tank Obsessed
 
essabee's Avatar
 
PTrader: (0/0%)
Join Date: Oct 2006
Location: Ranchi, Jharkhand, India
Posts: 429
Default

The base of this tank has been in place for 7 years. Actually the base was constructed in continuance with the first 1000 litre tank - the 'Incomparable' - and was lying vacant from that time. I housed the incubator of my "Madhatter" DIY CO2 on this base but now that I have a CO2 cylinder, the base has become unoccupied and so this project. It would need an earthquake to move or tilt the base as it is a 4" granite slab built resting on stilts raised from the concrete roof of the floor below.
__________________
If you have a choice, you have a problem, till you elect your choice. No choice, no problem, only consequences, learn to live with them.
essabee is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 08-02-2009, 03:16 AM   #14
eyebeatbadgers
Planted Tank Guru
 
eyebeatbadgers's Avatar
 
PTrader: (62/100%)
Join Date: Aug 2007
Location: Hendersonville, TN
Posts: 2,485
Send a message via AIM to eyebeatbadgers
Default

My first thought was what Hoppy mentioned, about pressure points between the masonry and the glass. The glass will inevitably bow outward, toward the masonry. Unless the masonry is glass smooth, there will be points of higher tension, possibly leading to cracks. Just my first thought, good luck with the process!
__________________
eyebeatbadgers is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 08-02-2009, 03:12 PM   #15
Hoppy
Planted Tank Guru
 
Hoppy's Avatar
 
PTrader: (74/100%)
Join Date: Dec 2005
Location: Sacramento, CA
Posts: 18,734
Default

Maybe if you use a plaster coat on the bricks, and make it very flat, that would eliminate any problems from pressure points. Of course the silicone would still be needed to cushion the back of the glass. I really would enjoy watching this being built, but photos will be almost as good.

I admit I'm having problem visualizing a 4 inch thick slab of granite sitting on stilts on a roof. Your house would be fascinating to visit - maybe my local aquatic plant club could arrange to hold our September meeting at your place? All we would need is to arrange some quick transportation there and back, so the guys could get back to work the next day.
__________________
Hoppy
Hoppy is offline   Reply With Quote
Reply

Thread Tools
Display Modes

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off

Forum Jump


All times are GMT. The time now is 08:32 AM.


Powered by vBulletin®
Copyright ©2000 - 2014, Jelsoft Enterprises Ltd.
Copyright Planted Tank LLC 2012