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Old 05-16-2004, 11:24 PM   #1
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What combination would be the most effective for a substrate. They will all be about 3" thick.

1:
100% flourite

2:
50/50 flourite and sand

3:
Laterite layer then sand on top with heat pad

4:
Sand plus heat pad


All the choices will cost about the same cept #4 which is dirt cheap
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Old 05-17-2004, 01:26 AM   #2
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Just to get this clearouted right away so it does, or does not become a factor - do looks matter? Or is this simply on effectiveness of growing plants?
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The plants are my main concern. I like the look of both sand and flourite anyways though.
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Old 05-17-2004, 08:36 PM   #4
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Anyone?
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What do you mean by most effective?????
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Old 05-17-2004, 08:48 PM   #6
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I think any of those would work. I use sand only and it works great.
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I think any of those would work. I use sand only and it works great.
What I was going to say. Really any of those substrates will do just fine. However, with the fluorite or laterite you get the benefit of permenant iron and CEC. You will not anyway see a dramatic difference in growth in either of the 4 choices.
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Do you think a heating pad is worth it? I also heard that it created water circulation throughout the substrate cause the wamer water rises and draws in cooler water. If not I will probably go with laterite and sand. That will cost me about $30 compared to at least 50$ for flourite and sand or all flourite which will cost me over $90.
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Old 05-17-2004, 11:27 PM   #9
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I hate sand as a substrate, unless it is very coarse (fine gravel). So I would go with #1, or Eco-complete, or cheaper, fine gravel.

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Do you think a heating pad is worth it? I also heard that it created water circulation throughout the substrate cause the wamer water rises and draws in cooler water. If not I will probably go with laterite and sand. That will cost me about $30 compared to at least 50$ for flourite and sand or all flourite which will cost me over $90.
The reptile heating pads that I am familiar with are lacking temperature control. You just plug them in, and they heat, and you need to unplug them when the water gets too hot. A controller will cost you.
Also, they don't create currents, since they heat the entire tank bottom evenly. Plus, if you do use sand, it would insulate quite a bit (no real water movement in sand) so I would definitely go with a regular heater.
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Okay. Well I think I'll try laterite and a sand/gravel gravel mix. What do you think of that? Kinda keep it fine but coarse at the same time.
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Okay. Well I think I'll try laterite and a sand/gravel gravel mix. What do you think of that? Kinda keep it fine but coarse at the same time.
Sounds like a good Idea to me... I use a sand/flourite mixture and love it...

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Well I don't know about flourite cause at my lfs it is 39.99 a bag and if I order online it comes to about that wish shipping. So I think I'll use laterite which is a box big enough for a 20 gallon for about 20 bucks and sand mixed in with gravel I own. It should cost under 30 bucks. And The existing gravel in my tank will replace the more neutral colored stuff in my 10 that will have been mixed in with the sand.

Do you think I should layer is or mix everything together? I was thinking laterite then gravel then sand. About a 1.5" layer of sand and gravel plus whatever the laterite takes up... probably about a cm.

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Well I don't know about flourite cause at my lfs it is 39.99 a bag and if I order online it comes to about that wish shipping. So I think I'll use laterite which is a box big enough for a 20 gallon for about 20 bucks and sand mixed in with gravel I own. It should cost under 30 bucks. And The existing gravel in my tank will replace the more neutral colored stuff in my 10 that will have been mixed in with the sand.

Do you think I should layer is or mix everything together? I was thinking laterite then gravel then sand. About a 1.5" layer of sand and gravel plus whatever the laterite takes up... probably about a cm.

Thanks, Justin
Laterite first, then a sand gravel mix.... You could layer the gravel then sand or sand then gravel, but in a few weeks time and after a prunning or two they will have mixed anyway... The sand has a tendency to settle below the gravel, specially if it is larger grained gravel...

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Okay. One last problem. How should I go about changing the substrate? The tank currently has gravel and if fully planted with fish and DIY co2.

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