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Old 04-06-2004, 01:40 AM   #1
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I have a 10g tank hang on the back filter walmart compact flourescent bulbs...only 15lbs of epoxy gravel ...fake plants and a bubble curtain 6in. w/ 5-15 air pump. and an ornamental cave...

the fish in it are:

1 Golden fantail 3in
1 Srub.... somthing looking like a coi
1 very small suckermouth
3 common goldfish

all the goldfish are as good as gone.. the golden fantail and the other one are gone too... ok i want to plant it and i have no heater at this time... i want to make a Diy co2 and diy reactor thats as good as done if i need it..

Limited resources and tight buget... i am only 15 and willing to to get lots of plants and any kind of fish but need sugestions and advice for fish after plants and i am gonna get eco-complete if petco wal-mat or earl may has it. but other than that, help me
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Old 04-06-2004, 02:37 AM   #2
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Do research on different kinds of plants that you may want.

Some suggestions are:
Corkscrew Vals
Java Fern and Moss
Hornwort
Hygrophilia
Amazon Swords
Cryptocorynes
Anacharis
Cardamine
Rotala indica
Wisteria
Anubius species

Try hard to get eco-complete or flourite. Petsmart sometimes sell flourite.

Also have you looked at www.bigalsonline.com for aquarium supplies?
And check out www.aquariumplant.com for plants or www.aquaticplantdepot.com
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Old 04-06-2004, 02:49 PM   #3
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If you can handle the shipping and have some patience, I can send you clippings, but I echo the earlier sentiment about substrate. I am a big fan of Flourite, but I have used ecocomplete. There is one other substrate, and I know only rumors of it and it is a pond substrate for planted koi ponds. It is sometimes sold at Home Depot or Lowes and Looks like flourite from what I am told. You have to rinse it a lot but it is flourite at a fraction of the cost .

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Old 04-06-2004, 09:33 PM   #4
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hmmm....clippings...


petsmart

ok i am gonna get flourite...ill have earl-may order some for me...
i am in good with the manager... ok

i am getting rid of the coi and fantails and the goldfish are gone..

Co2? i think i have good lighting .... 2 compact flourescent 10watts in a 10 gal.

how much would shipping be>? i live in Beatrice, Ne....
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Old 04-06-2004, 11:20 PM   #5
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Hey Ray1214 I am also pretty younge 13 to be exact and am acting a little desprite but could you send some stuff to me??? Like clipping exc. I would pay for the shipping and live in Daytona Beach FL How much would it be??? If so email me @ I_AM_UNIQUE_IN_MANY_WAYS@hotmail.com
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Old 04-07-2004, 01:53 AM   #6
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Goldfish CANNOT be in that tank it's WAY to small for that many also the pleco's will kill them.
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Old 04-08-2004, 01:45 AM   #7
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What fish eat hybrid Apongeton bulbs or red and green lillies.? do snails go with plants? What crabs go in only water if any... What about Loaches (i know they eat snails.) Should i plant it pretty heavily with apongeton?
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Old 04-08-2004, 08:47 PM   #8
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I don't know if any fish eat the bulbs, but the leaves are rather fragile and soft, and may look tasty to some. I have Aponogeton crispus, and it was just fine, without trouble, until some bastard snails made holes in their best leaves. I don't mind snails, they clean and enrich the substrate with their tiny droppings, but I was so angry I picked up as most as I could and crushed them with my fingers. I know it weren't the trumpets, but the pond ones. I'll perhaps get a couple of kuhlis or botias, but I don't want to lose the trumpet snails. Also, I don't think they match very well my South American fish, they just don't fit.

If you are referring to Nymphaea lillies, the snails also made holes in a couple of leaves. However, these plants got so damn wide and tall they blocked light for other plants. It can be a matter of varieties. I'd have them as solitary plants in small and medium sized tanks.

As for the substrate, I see most people are married to Flourite or Eco-complete. Sure they are very good, but Sera, Azoo, and other brands make substrate too, also good. Pick the one best fits your needs and your pocket, although for a 10g there is not much cost difference in getting the best one.[/i]
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And the best one is...?
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It seems to be Eco-complete. People seem to love it here, even more than Flourite because it does not cloud water, and no need to rinse much.

Anyway, I see you already got Flourite. I don't think it really matters that much, any of them is way better than gravel.
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Old 04-10-2004, 03:06 AM   #11
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i got flourite but havent put it in yet.. havent had
time i can take it back if ecocomplete works better...
and what color is eco? could i put some of my gravel over it for looks...
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Old 04-10-2004, 05:56 AM   #12
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Flourite is as good as eco-complete but you need to wash it first. No big deal for 1 or 2 bags. Ecocomplete is black. You can mix with gravel but I'm not sure whether you'll like the look after a few months. The gravel will be mixed up with your flourite or eco-complete. I did that in one of my tank and regret it now.
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I suggest that you pass on getting any of those bulbs from Walmart of Petco, they get really large, too big for a 10 gallon. I have an Apongenton ulvaceus from mail order that is too big for my 29 gallon tank.

As for substrate, let the price and availability be your guide. Between Flourite and EcoComplete, what is best is the one you can find and afford. One bag of either is enough for a 10, I would use 100%, not a mix with old gravel.

Then, I suggest you go on and invest in a Hagen CO2 system. Very easy to set up and when the packets run out you mix your own, so refills are nearly free then. With a HOB filter, you will not be able to get the CO2 levels too high, but every little bit helps. I run Hagens on all my 10 gal planted tanks.

With the screw in compact flourescents and CO2 and the substrate, you will also want some Root Tabs and Flourish for fertilizing. That's a good start.

Then ask around for clippings online, several people will send you some for not much over the cost of postage. Most of us that have several planted tanks throw out stuff each week just because it is too much trouble to advertise it for sale. You'd be surprised what I'd send you for $10 or $20 plus $4 postage!
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Old 04-10-2004, 09:18 PM   #14
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Where could i buy a hagen system ..i cant order online...
and what kind of plant should i look for in a 10g...
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Is Big Al's Catalog a good catalog? can i get a hagen co2 in it....
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