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View Poll Results: Tahitian Moon Sand Or Eco Complete
Tahitian Moon Sand 10 29.41%
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Old 03-25-2008, 10:33 AM   #16
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Don't use pure TMS it is to fine for a healthy planted tank.
The substrate is very important and needs to be more
course than moon sand. EC any day, or Flourite, SMS
or Aqua soil.
Eco is good stuff, you don't need the liquid they ship in
the bag, you need the substrate.
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Old 03-27-2008, 02:58 PM   #17
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What is "SMS" I keep seeing on here?....tagging along doing substrate research. I've had good luck in the past using 50% flouralite and 50% playsand....with some pea gravel here and there for looks. I like natural look.
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Old 03-27-2008, 06:33 PM   #18
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Soil Master Select

Manufactured as a soil amendment for athletic fields; helps prevent the soil from compating (promoting good oxygenation, root growth, etc), and has a good CEC (absorbs nutrients from the water column and holds them for the plants in an aquarium setting). Runs about $15-20 for a 50lb bag, order from www.Lesco.com (the distributor) and pick up the bags at John Deere stores.
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Old 03-27-2008, 07:38 PM   #19
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Sounds good, I'll have to look into it. Thanks for the link.
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Old 03-27-2008, 07:49 PM   #20
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Have you used it yourself?
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No, I decided I wanted to go with a heavier weight substrate more black in color and that would provide nutrients. (ADA AquaSoil was out of my budget, too) I'll be using black Fluorite, mixed with Colorquartz (similar to TMS) to cut cost.
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Old 03-28-2008, 03:38 PM   #22
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I am reading more and more horror stories of people not being able to keep deep rooting plants anchored in SMS(Soil Master Select), so I think that all the hype around SMS being the best substrate around is beginning to subside as more and more people experience this. Some folks claim to get around the problem my mixing laterite with SMS or capping laterite with SMS as the laterite helps anchor the plants down by the roots as the plant roots begin penetrating the laterite. Personally, I would not use SMS on its own. I would save my money and go for Aquasoil given the importance of a good substrate and the fact that it will likely be a one time expense, or alternatively black fluorite sand which has been extensively tested by such gurus as Tom Barr and have been found to work really well.
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I am reading more and more horror stories of people not being able to keep deep rooting plants anchored in SMS(Soil Master Select), so I think
With a bit more experience you will then know
that means that their substrate is not deep enough,
Therefore eliminating the need to think.
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Old 04-09-2013, 04:58 PM   #24
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I initially put flourite black sand in my 90g for a few weeks. It had a grayish look, not pure black -still looked good though. I saw TMS in a LFS and it looked a lot more pure dark black so I switched.

I recently upgraded to an ehiem 2262 on this tank - I have the spray bar aimed across the surface of the tank. On the opposite side of tank from spray bar, the TMS drifts very badly - its too light so after a couple hours the tank bottom is down to glass, and big drifts have accumulated, screwing up the whole flow of the tank and leaving dead spots for the large amount of oscar waste in my tank to accumulate.
I have tried using plants, wood, rocks, etc to stop the drifting, nothing has worked.
I'm going to switch to either flourite black sand or just flourite black gravel, not sure yet (sold my old black sand but not sure if it will have the same drifting problems or if its heavy enough to stay with the 2262.)

To give you an even better idea on the drifting - my hydor koralia NANO makes this sand drift, even if i point it parallel to the sand about 6 inches off the sand. Its very light.
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