Rotala thriving or dying?
Planted Tank Forums
Your Tanks Image Hosting *Tank Tracker * Plant Profiles Fish Profiles Planted Tank Guide Photo Gallery Articles

Go Back   The Planted Tank Forum > General Planted Tank Forums > Low Tech Forum


Reply
 
Thread Tools Display Modes
Old 07-14-2015, 01:46 AM   #1
msncookie
Newbie
 
PTrader: (0/0%)
Join Date: Jul 2015
Location: Ontario, Canada
Posts: 2
Default

Rotala thriving or dying?


Hello all,

I am nearly done cycling a new 120 which I've planted with various easy-category plants in eco-complete substrate. I am not injecting CO2. I am not dosing ferts until the tank is more established.

It's been just over 2 weeks since filling, and most plants seem to be shooting new growth and doing fine. However the rotala (or at least that's what the LFS told me it was) has turned a very dark red and the established (esp. lower) leaves appear to be melting. It seems odd as there is new growth in several areas, especially one shoot that is tucked in the shade under some wood.

I always thought red color was a good sign, although the following are probably noteworthy:
- I'm using a fairly strong light (Satellite LED+ Pro) but only 6 hours for now
- It's a deep tank (120XH - 26" tall), so I was hoping the light would be about right considering
- I'm dosing ammonia to cycle (fishless)
- The shoot I mentioned that is in the shade is growing *really* fast

Pics...

Click image for larger version

Name:	20150713_203709.jpg
Views:	32
Size:	82.1 KB
ID:	496353

Click image for larger version

Name:	20150713_203750.jpg
Views:	26
Size:	81.0 KB
ID:	496369

Click image for larger version

Name:	20150713_204021.jpg
Views:	23
Size:	64.2 KB
ID:	496377

The last picture shows the transparent leaves near the bottom. I'm assuming this is rotundifolia but I'm no expert. Is it possible it just hates the ammonia treatment, nitrate buildup, or light levels? Or is all of this normal behavior? Any insight much appreciated.

Thanks
msncookie is offline   Reply With Quote Quick reply to this message
Sponsored Links
Advertisement
 
Old 07-14-2015, 02:56 AM   #2
Raymond S.
Planted Tank Guru
 
Raymond S.'s Avatar
 
PTrader: (5/100%)
Join Date: Dec 2012
Location: Hot Springs Ar. 71901
Posts: 4,724
Default

Rotala rotundifolia is not red. The top ,20% of each stem will turn pink if you have enough light for it however. Google Rotala "Macrandra". Not the easiest plant. Likes CO2.
Does not like excess of GH boosters. Might be effected by the ammonia.
But why wouldn't you use ferts/w the plants now ? CO2 also ?
I think Current has PAR charts on their fixtures on their site.
I'm thinking you will need 60 or better @ the sub for getting any amount of red from
that plant(plus the CO2) and it looks as if you might be there/w the light level.
So I'd check and that may give you an idea of what to expect from it once it settles in.
But the general growth in there says conditions aren't far off from being good for the
plants. But Rotala may react to being moved and can loose bottom leaves because of it.
Takes a while for thaqt one to settle in also. The CO2(if you do start it) will expedite
this, but it took months for some I got that was in bad condition to START to show
signs of getting better in my (s)low tech tank. And BTW it wouldn't do anything till
I stopped(didn't actually need it)using a GH booster in there.
It wasn't Macrandra but rather Magenta and they may act differently about the GH
booster. Till they got over the shock of the move and in that bad condition it likely
took longer to grow some new roots, it just kept loosing more of the bottom leaves.
And that's not going to grow back either. You just need to wait it out till new stems
come up and AFTER they reach the top cut away the old stems. That growth on those new stems will be because of the environment in your tank anyway and won't look the same as the old stuff you bought.
__________________
The shortest distance between any two points is a straight line...in the opposite direction...
Raymond S. is online now   Reply With Quote Quick reply to this message
Old 07-14-2015, 03:57 AM   #3
msncookie
Newbie
 
PTrader: (0/0%)
Join Date: Jul 2015
Location: Ontario, Canada
Posts: 2
Default

Thanks for your insight. If I bought an expert-level plant, it wasn't my intention. The cycling is showing signs of being nearly done so maybe that will help. I was advised by an expert to hold off on ferts for a while if using eco-complete and see how things go. But I did buy Flourish, Flourish Trace, and Excel (if deemed necessary). I figured I'd start with the first two once cycling was done and things have stabilized.
msncookie is offline   Reply With Quote Quick reply to this message
Reply

Quick Reply
Message:
Options

Register Now

In order to be able to post messages on the The Planted Tank Forum forums, you must first register.
Please enter your desired user name, your email address and other required details in the form below.
User Name:
Password
Please enter a password for your user account. Note that passwords are case-sensitive.
Password:
Confirm Password:
Email Address
Please enter a valid email address for yourself.
Email Address:
Location
Your Location. As precise as you feel comfortable with.
Security Question
While balancing on a piece of wood, two inches by four inches known as a 2x4, John and his friend Sally both spotted a dalmatian inside of a truck with sirens. The animal with John and Sally is a _ _ _?
Insurance
Please select your insurance company (Optional)

Log-in

Human Verification

In order to verify that you are a human and not a spam bot, please enter the answer into the following box below based on the instructions contained in the graphic.



Thread Tools
Display Modes

Posting Rules
You may post new threads
You may post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off

Forum Jump


All times are GMT. The time now is 11:17 PM.


Powered by vBulletin®
Copyright ©2000 - 2015, Jelsoft Enterprises Ltd.
Copyright Planted Tank LLC 2012