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Old 02-14-2014, 02:35 AM   #1
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First post here, and I'm anxious to get started. I've been growing plants, bonsai, for probably about 5 years now, so I've got a bit of a green thumb. My brother (who is big into saltwater aquariums) has always impressed me with his saltwater tanks, so I thought I would give a freshwater planted tank a try. Seems like a great hobby.

So far I've got my 10 gallon tank. I chose a 10 gallon to get me started and introduced to the hobby. I didn't want to go too overboard for my first tank. I've been trying to find a 2 bulb 20 inch T5 online or in a store near me, but have come up short so far.

I've been guided to a good filter that I need to pick up here in a few days.

My biggest question is about the soil. I know things like fluorite and other substrates like that are the way to go, but is there any way I can do this as natural as possible? Could I do a layer of peat, then have a layer of gravel on top of that?


I'll have more questions as you all guide me, all help is appreciated, thanks!
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Old 02-14-2014, 02:45 AM   #2
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Old 02-14-2014, 02:46 AM   #3
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Welcome! There is a lot of information on here that will help you find what you need. Also check the trade thread to if your looking for something you can't find

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So far I've got my 10 gallon tank. I chose a 10 gallon to get me started and introduced to the hobby. I didn't want to go too overboard for my first tank. I've been trying to find a 2 bulb 20 inch T5 online or in a store near me, but have come up short so far.
Welcome to the forum!

If you are wanting to start out easy, I would not suggest T5s or T5HOs on your 10g. I would suggest a single T8 with a white plastic reflector similar to many stock 10g hoods. Much more light than that and you will most likely need CO2 or lots of Excel dosing.
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Old 02-14-2014, 03:05 AM   #5
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Welcome to the forum!

If you are wanting to start out easy, I would not suggest T5s or T5HOs on your 10g. I would suggest a single T8 with a white plastic reflector similar to many stock 10g hoods. Much more light than that and you will most likely need CO2 or lots of Excel dosing.

Interesting you suggest the T8, do they make those in the 20 inch size? What would the T5 do that would make me work more? I'm all for a T8, just trying to understand what that would do vs. a T5. I used to use T8's for my trees.
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Old 02-14-2014, 03:10 AM   #6
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Actually, this hood?

Amazon.com: All Glass Aquarium AAG21220 Fluorescent Deluxe Hood, 20-Inch: Pet Supplies Amazon.com: All Glass Aquarium AAG21220 Fluorescent Deluxe Hood, 20-Inch: Pet Supplies

I chose that one there because I've got a free Prime membership currently and could have it shipped to me rather quickly. I'd just have to put in a 6500K bulb.
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Old 02-14-2014, 03:22 AM   #7
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Actually, this hood?

Amazon.com: All Glass Aquarium AAG21220 Fluorescent Deluxe Hood, 20-Inch: Pet Supplies

I chose that one there because I've got a free Prime membership currently and could have it shipped to me rather quickly. I'd just have to put in a 6500K bulb.
Pretty sure that is close to the hood I used over my 10g a few years ago. I went to the gardening store and picked up a daylight bulb because it looked better than the stock bulb.

The reason I suggest a T8 over a T5 is because it produces less light. The amount of light you have over your tank sets the requirements for additional carbon (CO2, glutaraldehyde), macro (N,K,P), and micronutrients. If you are just starting and hoping to keep the tank easy, I would suggest a lower light intensity tank.

Many start this hobby like I did, with too much light. I'm trying to save you a weak plant growth algae headache.
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Pretty sure that is close to the hood I used over my 10g a few years ago. I went to the gardening store and picked up a daylight bulb because it looked better than the stock bulb.

The reason I suggest a T8 over a T5 is because it produces less light. The amount of light you have over your tank sets the requirements for additional carbon (CO2, glutaraldehyde), macro (N,K,P), and micronutrients. If you are just starting and hoping to keep the tank easy, I would suggest a lower light intensity tank.

Many start this hobby like I did, with too much light. I'm trying to save you a weak plant growth algae headache.
Ah I see I see, makes sense. Would I be able to grow decent plants with a light with this?
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Old 02-14-2014, 03:30 AM   #9
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Ah I see I see, makes sense. Would I be able to grow decent plants with a light with this?
Not all plants, but part of the fun of this hobby is learning to grow more challenging species over time.

A few years ago I grew some moss, Crypts, and a couple stem plants in a 10g with a single T8 fixture. Here it is:
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Not all plants, but part of the fun of this hobby is learning to grow more challenging species over time.

A few years ago I grew some moss, Crypts, and a couple stem plants in a 10g with a single T8 fixture. Here it is:

Wow, incredible! I can go ahead and buy it now and have it here by Saturday then.

After seeing another thread, I think I've decided to go with this as my substrate:

http://www.petco.com/product/111998/...Substrate.aspx

Sounds like great stuff.

What's the difference between this:

Amazon.com: CaribSea Eco-Complete 20-Pound Planted Aquarium, Black: Pet Supplies


And this:

Amazon.com: Flourite Dark, 7 kg / 15.4 lbs: Pet Supplies


Is one fluorite and the other isn't?

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Old 02-14-2014, 06:36 AM   #11
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The first one is Eco-Complete, while the second is Flourite.
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Old 02-14-2014, 01:30 PM   #12
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The first one is Eco-Complete, while the second is Flourite.

Well yes, thank you, I got that. But are they different materials?
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The tread in the sticky on the Substrate forum Substrate Choices Pros/Cons will answer some of you questions. Other threads in that forum may also be helpful to you.

Eco-complete an Flourite are not the same.
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Old 02-14-2014, 01:46 PM   #14
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The tread in the sticky on the Substrate forum Substrate Choices Pros/Cons will answer some of you questions. Other threads in that forum may also be helpful to you.

Eco-complete an Flourite are not the same.

Thanks! Now that I know they're not the same I'll see if I can get some of the Eco-Complete to try.
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Just for a little more info (and maybe confusion) you can look at each ones website

Eco-Complete

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