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Old 02-26-2004, 02:28 AM   #1
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i am new to this hobby and as i research flourite is on of a good substrate for plant tank and i do not know anything esle beccause at my lfs they sell only flourite. can you recommend something else if it is available local (houston tx ) is better?
also i am set ut this tank (110g) for discuss and plant i have about 1-1/2 to 2 inches of gravel which is brown in color and the sixe is 1cm in diameter. i think this is sold in the paper bag named filter media. here are my questions?

is it a good substrate for plant tank?
can i mix it with flourite ( brand name sea chem)
or i just lay about 2 inches of frourite on the top of the other gravel?

Please give me recommendation, thanks in advance.
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Old 02-26-2004, 02:40 AM   #2
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You can use Eco-complete, Flourite or a regular small natural gravel by itself or mixed with Flourite. Don't go over 3 inches in depth but have at least 2 inches.
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Old 02-26-2004, 02:52 AM   #3
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what is eco-complte look like and who manufacture it?
i saw flourite at my lfs made by sea-chem and it costs $15 a bag (not sure 15 or 20 lbs of bag)
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Old 02-26-2004, 07:29 AM   #4
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Eco-Complete, made by CaribSea, is exactly like Flourite but better. First, it's black which makes it more visually appealing. And it doesn't need rinsing like Flourite. It has smaller granules, and it also contains live bacteria that help cycle the tank, and regenerate nutrients in the substrate. Eco-Complete usually runs about $25 a bag(20lb). But I'm sure in Houston, TX you can find any substrate locally. Red Sea is located there, I think you can Flora Base way cheaper than how much it's sold for now.
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Old 02-26-2004, 05:41 PM   #5
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thanks for all replies..
trenac, how much can you mix 1cm gravel with flourite..50/50 or what?
one more thing i can not find eco in my area.
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Are these full grown discus or are they juveniles? Best to grow out young discus in a bare bottom tank because the constant feeding will quickly foul a planted tank, you just can't clean up all the missed food. If they are adult or wild caught adults, then a planted tank is fine, is you have enought to "distrubute" the agression. (Not a discus person yet, but I've looked into it quite seriously.)

Have you tried City Pets (Beechnut at Beltway 8 ) for Eco-complete? They also have the best price for flourite, I think.
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houstonplant...Yeah, 50/50 is good.
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houstonplant...guest is me trenac, forgot to login...50/50 is good.
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ok 50/50 but mix them together or lay each of susbstrate seperate?
yah at city pet they have flourite $15 a bag(15lbs)
did you see the plant/discus tank at citypet? it looks awesome to me.
by the way i want to ask you a question: what kind of co2 reactor or diffuser i need and price, reliability, and where?
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ok 50/50 but mix them together or lay each of susbstrate seperate?
yah at city pet they have flourite $15 a bag(15lbs)
did you see the plant/discus tank at citypet? it looks awesome to me.
by the way i want to ask you a question: what kind of co2 reactor or diffuser i need and price, reliability, and where?
Mix or layer, they will be mixed eventually, may as well mix at the start, IMO.

Yes, just grow out the discus before you add them to the planted tank, and be sure to use plants that can take the heat.

CO2 reactor: I use a Plantguild power reactor for the pressurized system in my biggest tank and a DIY version of the same thing in the DIY CO2 tank. I got from Aquabotanic with All in one regulator and CO2 proof tubing (I know it is cheaper elsewhere but I spend a lot of time on that board so it helps pay the bills). If you want the equipment out of the tank there are plans for DIY external reactors online. I hear that the glass diffusers are heck to clean, but I don't know that for sure. I think the big tank at City Pets uses a glass diffuser, stop and ask them next time you are in. The big tank at Village Tropical uses Carbo+, but the device needs monthly cleaning.
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If your current gravel is 1 cm in size then you will soon end up with the Flourite or Eco-Complete at the bottom and the larger stuff on top. That's a very large gravel size for a planted tank.

As for the CO2 reactor I build my own.
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i am sorry about the infor i gave on the gravel. it is very small 1 mm not 1cm. sorry....
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do i need both of co2 reactor and diffusser for my 110 g tank and what type and brand and where? please help...

anonapersona please give me a call at 832-202-9229 if you do not mind.
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You need one or the other. And a reactor is much better than a diffuser.
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