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Old 09-04-2007, 06:31 PM   #1
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Fissidens splachnobryoides??


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Has anyone heard of this moss? I am thinking about doing the foreground of my 29 gallon tank in it. I just want to know something about it before a spend the money. 29 gallon 108 watts T5 lighting, EI ferts and pressurized CO2. Thanks for your help. Riley
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Old 09-05-2007, 02:21 AM   #2
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I got some from AquaticMagic a few weeks ago.
like regular Fissiden, it will take several Months
to acclimate and show any significant growth.
I have it attached to a vertical rope, and will
post photo's of it's progress in a few Months.

I think this is too tiny for a 29gal foreground
as it's scale is similar to HC. also, you can't
have fish that nose around the gravel as they
will easily disrupt it's initial attaching growth,
even if you plan on holding it down with mesh.

even under the best conditions, growth rates
of Fissiden seem far slower than other mosses.
consider that such a dense fine foreground would
be a debris magnet that would be better used to
decorate driftwood or rocks.

In the meantime, here's a closeup of a piece
I got still attached to the bark they grew on.
that is a U.S. Dime on the bottom of this photo.

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Old 09-05-2007, 02:48 AM   #3
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I got it two weeks ago. It browns up just like other fissidens and then greens up. It has grown at half the rate of my Singapore moss in my 29g with 7800k 55wt. With no extra Co2 and once in awhile I give all my moss some Excel and flourish.
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Old 09-06-2007, 04:36 AM   #4
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i got some from aquatic magic, and was pissed when a dead brown clump arrived at my doorstep. It was a really small crappy portion too, not worth what I paid at all

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Old 09-06-2007, 09:11 PM   #5
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Hey,

Thanks for everyones input. As much as I want to use it for my foreground, I guess I will just go with glosso..or leave it bare *sigh* I will wait and get some when the 75 gallon goes up. Thanks again.
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Old 09-10-2007, 09:21 PM   #6
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i got some from aquatic magic, and was pissed when a dead brown clump arrived at my doorstep. It was a really small crappy portion too, not worth what I paid at all
Same thing here, only it died in my tank, it wasen't looking too good when I got it either, the piece i recieved was smaller than an index card. For $15 I don't thinK I would try it again. There seems to be a little tiny bit that did attach to my driftwood, so I probably have almost enough to cover the area of a quarter 8 months later. it will probably get covered with other plants or mosses it takes way too long to grow.

It is the ONLY plant I have put in my aquasoil tank that has not eventualy thrived. Although the Crypt Affinis from aquatic magic almost didn't make it either. 8 months later though and it has like 4 healthy leaves. It's starting to finaly grow a little now. I rather like this slow growing crypt
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Old 09-12-2007, 05:45 PM   #7
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It browns up just like other fissidens and then greens up. It has grown at half the rate
Thanks for chiming in Crystal. After mine came green in the mail, it totally browned up after 2 weeks in my tank (I have it mounted vertically secured with fishing line to a thick nylon rope). I'm leaving it alone in hopes some of it will emerge through the brown as new green growth. I have regular Fisseden and many other mosses in the same tank, and never noticed that kind of acclimation die off before. Most moss I introduce won't grow the first Month, but it does not seem to die off that dramatically. I'll post more progress with this new plant by Month's end.
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well at least aquaticmagic stands by their moss, i told them what happened along with a pic of what arrived and they sent me a new portion for free : ) so I am happy with their customer service
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Old 09-23-2007, 05:18 PM   #9
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After a Month in my tank, this moss is
struggling to emerge from acclimation.
I just hope my patience is rewarded
one of these Months...

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Looks like its still holding on a lil bit there spy! Hopefully it will kick in for you. I just picked up some regular ole Fissidens fontanus and it appears to being good ( I hope so I get 5 more portions coming LOL) Thanks for your help.
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Old 10-03-2007, 10:59 PM   #11
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Here is an email exchange I had with aquaticmagic last week.
clearly they don't have a clue how to keep this stuff alive,
since they only hold it for resale, they don't really grow it.


I got your fissidens splachnobryoides moss 6 weeks ago looking like this;
http://i10.tinypic.com/6g99fmv.jpg
I broke it up and tied it to a nylon rope and now it looks like this;
http://i16.tinypic.com/63bt8it.jpg
I'm growing Fissiden Fontanus in the same tank and it's looking great;
http://i14.tinypic.com/676x7h5.jpg
why is your fissidens splachnobryoides failing on me?

Please share what water, salinity, temperature conditions do YOU grow it in?
I'm reading complains on forums all over the web that this moss goes brown
on everyone and never recovers. I'm holding out hope that it will survive, but
what specific things can you suggest I do to improve the odds?

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They prefer medium to high light. What is the lighting condition.

Let us know whether it survive. We will resend you in this case if the
plant fail to survive.
Keep us update.


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While I appreciate your offer to send me replacement plants,
they won't do me any good if I don't know what growing conditions are
most favorable. It would benefit in the long run from you to help me
identify the problem, since this plant's failure is a common
complaint, and if we figure out the common cause, it will help other
people buy and enjoy this plant from you, if I can post positive
results on various plant forums. -Joey

Here is all my light/water information;

avg temp 76f
GH 4
KH 4
PH 7
Co2 - medium from DIY
O2 - low from plants only
WPG >3 - 8 hours daily
Salt - very low
NO3 5ppm
PO4 5ppm
trace & micro fertilizers added
-no fish are disturbing this moss
growing on porous nylon rope

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Here is the condition we are using.

GH1,
kH1,
ph7
3 wpg
other factors are negligible


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something is missing that is critical here.
this moss was in very soft water originally
gh1/kh1 for over a Month, yet it still went brown.
I only hardened up the water in hopes that would help.

do you actually grow the moss, or just hold it
for resale from a grower. perhaps it's simply not
in your tanks long enough to die on you.

what temperature do you keep your water?
I know some mosses are very temp sensitive.

can you think of anything else that may be a factor?
thank you for taking the time to consider and respond.

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Good day! We got it from grower. The temp is about 80 degrees. I think
you have to watch the fertilization. Some claim that excess Seachem
Excel can kill the plant.




I'm forced to conclude, this moss requires
very cold water or normally grows immersed.
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I don't want the conclusions (mine) of one person to effect the livelihood of another person.
after I continued this correspondence with AQMagic, they assured me that splachnobryoides
is 100% aquatic, even though everything I've read so far on killies.com tells me it's immersed.

So I just ordered some Fissidens zippelianus from AQMagic,
and they will include some more splachnobryoides for free.
from everything I've seen F.zipper should thrive submerged.

I will devise a floating platform that will allow me to immerse half of each Fissidens,
while the other half is completely submerged. I will then post photos of both moss
in addition to a F.Fontanus sample after a Month in my tank, and whichever end
turns brown will tell us which way the moss will grow in an average tank like mine.
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Old 10-13-2007, 02:28 PM   #13
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Hey guys,

I haven't double checked this moss out over at killies.com with the other mossoholics but from my observations of AM's history and what your results have been the first one in question most likely isn't an aquatic moss and will survive for a while giving a small amount of growth and then turn brown, this could take a few days to up to a year+. They are probably harvesting it from a field somewhere putting it in their tanks for a few days to get the dirt off, then sending you it. Most people who collect moss tend to do this once in their time. I've done it but never sold any.

As for zipper moss that is a true aquatic fissidens sp. zippelaneuos (spelling?) Dr. Tan confirmed that.

Why buy from a seller who has a history of stealing pictures, and misrepresenting products. When there are many hobbiest you could help support? Who are closer to you than some unknown location in Malaysia...

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Old 10-24-2007, 10:09 PM   #14
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after 10 days in the dark
I got more splach moss.
I'm going to keep half of
it immersed this time to
see if any of it survives.

I pray I can get it to grow
and look like moss in post#2

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Old 10-24-2007, 11:34 PM   #15
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WOW! That is some nasty looking moss.
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