My ram doesnt like herself...
Planted Tank Forums
Your Tanks Image Hosting *Tank Tracker * Plant Profiles Fish Profiles Planted Tank Guide Photo Gallery Articles

Go Back   The Planted Tank Forum > Specific Aspects of a Planted Tank > Fish


Reply
 
Thread Tools Display Modes
Old 02-08-2004, 12:35 PM   #1
Tres
Algae Grower
 
Tres's Avatar
 
PTrader: (0/0%)
Join Date: Jan 2004
Posts: 93
Default

I have a beautifull german blue ram I purchased about 4 days ago... and she has spent the entire 4 days trying to beat up her reflection on the walls of the tank. No damage seems to be occuring to the glass... oh and she seems to be healthy also...
Its almost like she has obsessive compulsive disorder.. she barely takes time to eat...
Should I be worried that the will stress herself out?

Right now its just her and a male Ram in a ten gallon.. if I throw a few tetras in there will that distract her? (The male would probably distract her, but he is having a much harder time getting acclimated to his environment... it looks like he will make it, but he isn't a happy camper yet)
Any other ideas or comments?
Has anyone else seen this odd behavior in anything other than a siamese fighting fish / beta type fish?
Tres is offline   Reply With Quote
Sponsored Links
Advertisement
 
Old 02-08-2004, 03:10 PM   #2
Raul-7
Wannabe Guru
 
Raul-7's Avatar
 
PTrader: (4/100%)
Join Date: Oct 2003
Location: Lomita, CA
Posts: 1,650
Default

A 10g is the borderline for keep a pair...check your water parameters; maybe there's something she doesn't like. What are your ammonia, nitrite, and nitrate levels like?
Raul-7 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 02-08-2004, 05:22 PM   #3
Tres
Algae Grower
 
Tres's Avatar
 
PTrader: (0/0%)
Join Date: Jan 2004
Posts: 93
Default

Everything is fine except the nitrites are just a teensy bit high... not enough to cause stress, but not perfect.

Shes brightly colored, breathing normaly, fins are all exdended and upright, no signs of stress whatsover...

But she has a serious issue with that other fish on the "other side of that wall of glass"... aka her reflection.
Tres is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 02-08-2004, 06:13 PM   #4
ginnie5
Planted Member
 
ginnie5's Avatar
 
PTrader: (1/100%)
Join Date: Jan 2003
Location: SC
Posts: 276
Send a message via MSN to ginnie5
Default

I have always heard that fish do this because of a water quality problem. Rams are sensitive, maybe the nitrites being even a bit high are causing it.
ginnie5 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 02-08-2004, 09:11 PM   #5
Tres
Algae Grower
 
Tres's Avatar
 
PTrader: (0/0%)
Join Date: Jan 2004
Posts: 93
Default

I happen to have a nitrite absorbing pillow...
Ill run it all day tommorrow and see if it changes her behavior...
Tres is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 02-08-2004, 09:19 PM   #6
Tres
Algae Grower
 
Tres's Avatar
 
PTrader: (0/0%)
Join Date: Jan 2004
Posts: 93
Default

Come to think of it, I have some zeolite also... that should clear up any and everything...
Tres is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 02-08-2004, 11:49 PM   #7
WfxXx
Planted Tank Guru
 
WfxXx's Avatar
 
PTrader: (125/100%)
Join Date: Dec 2003
Location: USA
Posts: 3,037
Send a message via ICQ to WfxXx
Default

whats the ph of the tank she is in? she likes softer water, slightly acidic
WfxXx is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 02-09-2004, 03:50 AM   #8
Tres
Algae Grower
 
Tres's Avatar
 
PTrader: (0/0%)
Join Date: Jan 2004
Posts: 93
Default

Bingo.
Ph was 7.2, dkh was 5
I find this strange, since the tap water I filled the tank with a week before purchasing the rams was ph 7.2 and dkh 5... but Ive been injecting co2 since day 1. In my newbishness I assumed this would lower the ph... silly me.

Fortunately (and a bit strangely I might add) I have a 46 gallon bow front I set up the day before the 10 gallon tank... it recieves twice as much c02 as the 10 gallon tank, (all store bought yeast co2 injectors, all started within a day of each other... meaning the 10 gallon was getting much more c02 per gallon.. the more I look into this the more it doesnt make sense)
Why doesnt it make sense? Because the 46 gallon tank filled with the same water, but getting les than half the co2 per gallon currently has a ph of 6 and a dkh of 2.

The tanks are identicle except for the following.. the filter is smaller on the ten gallon, the tank sizes are different, the smaller tank gets more c02 per gallon, and the larger tank has 3 peices of store bought driftwood that show NO signs of leaking tannins into the crystal clear water.
Both are heavilly planted and use the same exact substrate. The water came from the same tap, and other than the fact that one is getting more c02 than the other, the water is filtered and treated in the exact same way. (One filter is smaller, but same type) so why in the world would the tank getting a higher concentration of co2 remain at the same ph and hardness for nearly 2 weeks, and the one with less c02 concentration drops dramaticaly in both categories????

I guess I shouldnt complain, at least I have a good supply of water that the rams will enjoy... Its just that I am one of those people who has to try understand everything, and it will bother me untill I figure it out, lol.




All of this is very strange to my newbish self... but in a way it is fortunate... I have 46 gallons of water that the Rams will absolutely love.
Tres is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 02-09-2004, 05:22 PM   #9
Raul-7
Wannabe Guru
 
Raul-7's Avatar
 
PTrader: (4/100%)
Join Date: Oct 2003
Location: Lomita, CA
Posts: 1,650
Default

Well, I think her condition will improve once she goes to the 46g. A 10g is unstable and swings easily occur. IMO a pH of 6 is too low, how much C02 are you dosing? You should try to aim for 6.5 for the best results
Raul-7 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 02-10-2004, 02:11 AM   #10
Tres
Algae Grower
 
Tres's Avatar
 
PTrader: (0/0%)
Join Date: Jan 2004
Posts: 93
Default

I was surprised at how much the ph had dropped in one week. Ill be checking the ph daily and adjusting with baking soda...
Tres is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 02-10-2004, 01:15 PM   #11
Fat Guy
Wannabe Guru
 
Fat Guy's Avatar
 
PTrader: (5/100%)
Join Date: Nov 2003
Location: new york, new york
Posts: 1,467
Default

I agree, the pH swing is a problem, but so is your nitrites. You shouldn't have visible nitrites in an established tank. Nitrates, yes, nitrite no. The pH and the nitrites combined are definitely making her makeup run.....
__________________
Fat Guy is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 02-10-2004, 02:13 PM   #12
Tres
Algae Grower
 
Tres's Avatar
 
PTrader: (0/0%)
Join Date: Jan 2004
Posts: 93
Default

The tank hasnt had time to fully establish itself.
Shes behaving a lot better now, but still spends some of her time looking really pissed at her reflection.
Im doing everything I can to improve the water conditions.
Tres is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 02-10-2004, 02:37 PM   #13
Fat Guy
Wannabe Guru
 
Fat Guy's Avatar
 
PTrader: (5/100%)
Join Date: Nov 2003
Location: new york, new york
Posts: 1,467
Default

Yeah, you're pretty much in a no win situation here with your ram in a tank with nitrites and pH swings. I would add some serious nutrient sponge plants, like hygro, water sprite, pennywort.... but your tank is small so....do you have any other tanks? if you can't put your ram in another established tank that you have, maybe you could pull the filter media from your established tank and put it in with the filter media in you non established tank.


In other words, it seems like you need to make friends with the nitrogen cycle, even though you have plants in your tank. You also need to watch your pH like a hawk. Find some way to make it constant.

Wait....just read more of you post.

It all depends on how much you love your fish. If I were you, I would do some water changes every other day, gradually stop the co2, raise the kH, let your ram acclimate in a less stressed out environment. Once you get a grip on your KH, add the co2, monitor your pH and watch your nitrites.

Your 10g is fine for two rams if you can control your water.

Am I making sense? Good luck
__________________
Fat Guy is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 02-11-2004, 04:05 AM   #14
Tres
Algae Grower
 
Tres's Avatar
 
PTrader: (0/0%)
Join Date: Jan 2004
Posts: 93
Default

hehe..
Yes I am testing the water every day now.. the rams are perking up nicely in the 46 gallon tank, although not fully recovered yet.

Ill keep you posted
Tres is offline   Reply With Quote
Reply

Thread Tools
Display Modes

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off

Forum Jump


All times are GMT. The time now is 12:47 AM.


Powered by vBulletin®
Copyright ©2000 - 2014, Jelsoft Enterprises Ltd.
Copyright Planted Tank LLC 2012