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Old 10-14-2013, 07:28 PM   #31
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Thank you for clarifying.

Is this substrate self sufficient? Or should I supplement oyster shells to bring up KH and add calcium? My ADA Amazonia tank is not doing so well, with swords melting and roots not growing into the soil, and ammonia remaining above 8ppm after waiting for six weeks with lots of plants, direct sun, good water circulation, and no fish yet. I add water from my home's RO system but I suspect that water is too pure, so I plan to add oyster shells next.
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Thank you for clarifying.

Is this substrate self sufficient? Or should I supplement oyster shells to bring up KH and add calcium? My ADA Amazonia tank is not doing so well, with swords melting and roots not growing into the soil, and ammonia remaining above 8ppm after waiting for six weeks with lots of plants, direct sun, good water circulation, and no fish yet. I add water from my home's RO system but I suspect that water is too pure, so I plan to add oyster shells next.
That is a good question for Tom(Plantbrain), I would refer to him as he is one of the few people I sent this new substrate to to try out and see how it does.
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Thank you for clarifying.

Is this substrate self sufficient? Or should I supplement oyster shells to bring up KH and add calcium? My ADA Amazonia tank is not doing so well, with swords melting and roots not growing into the soil, and ammonia remaining above 8ppm after waiting for six weeks with lots of plants, direct sun, good water circulation, and no fish yet. I add water from my home's RO system but I suspect that water is too pure, so I plan to add oyster shells next.
Typically, it takes longer than 6 weeks to cycle ADA....I'd say give it another month. RO is too pure. You need to get the KH up and add fertz. If you have CO2 blast it.
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I know the UP Aqua Sand (Their new soil) is pretty much impossible to get right now, but we should be getting more come November or December. That is when we will really be distributing a lot of it. As for UP Aqua Soil we won't be carrying that because the UP Aqua Sand should be better and brake down less fast so this will be what we are focusing on.
if you live in florida, GLA is not to far of a drive from orlando, they are big on the UP stuff
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The UP Aqua Aqua Sand will come in a red clay color as well, it looks like we will supplying that version to Green Leaf for sure.
any idea when it will be available? I have a new tank to set up and would love to try it out
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Typically, it takes longer than 6 weeks to cycle ADA....I'd say give it another month. RO is too pure. You need to get the KH up and add fertz. If you have CO2 blast it.
It is a low tech tank, so no co2 injection and no filter. ADA soil is meant for high tech tanks. So right there is a problem already, I suspect.

I thought fertilizers are already in the substrate? I have oyster shells on order to bring up calcium and KH.

How about I use tap water instead, but air it out to remove the chlorine before adding it to the tank? The water quality here is hard, but not too heavy on chemical additives.
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if you live in florida, GLA is not to far of a drive from orlando, they are big on the UP stuff
You got me all excited, b/c I recently moved to Miami. But it looks more than an hour and a half drive north of Orlando Close to the Georgia border.

It's not showing for sale on the GLA website quite yet Tom got me all excited to try it out
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any idea when it will be available? I have a new tank to set up and would love to try it out
We are getting it in beginning of November and then it will be going out to retailers and regional distributors.

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You got me all excited, b/c I recently moved to Miami. But it looks more than an hour and a half drive north of Orlando Close to the Georgia border.

It's not showing for sale on the GLA website quite yet Tom got me all excited to try it out
GLA should start to show it late November early December.
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It is a low tech tank, so no co2 injection and no filter. ADA soil is meant for high tech tanks. So right there is a problem already, I suspect.

I thought fertilizers are already in the substrate? I have oyster shells on order to bring up calcium and KH.

How about I use tap water instead, but air it out to remove the chlorine before adding it to the tank? The water quality here is hard, but not too heavy on chemical additives.
The substrate only contains nutrients for roots, not for absorption by leaves and stems. But if it's low tech, biological waste should be enough.
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The substrate only contains nutrients for roots, not for absorption by leaves and stems. But if it's low tech, biological waste should be enough.
I'm planning to throw out the ADA soil and start over.

Should I get the UP Aqua substrate and add some oyster shells, and that's it? My sunlight, water circulation, and UV sterilizer are all in place and working well.

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I'm planning to throw out the ADA soil and start over.

Should I get the UP Aqua substrate and add some oyster shells, and that's it? My sunlight, water circulation, and UV sterilizer are all in place and working well.
How many water changes have you been doing?
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Old 10-18-2013, 03:56 PM   #42
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How many water changes have you been doing?
I first soaked the soil with pump running for a week, no plants, full water level, in the ADA 60-P, then did 1/4 water change about once a week after putting in the plants. Initially the grass and micro swords did the best. The crypts did the worst. The big swords were barely OK. All water changes used my home-based RO system.

Am I supposed to do many, large percentage water changes during the start up phase? I naively thought the plants will soak up the ammonia, but they never did, and two weeks ago on a very hot day the tank probably went toxic and had a huge algae bloom, so now, after removing some dead plants, and doing more water changes, the tank is less stocked than before, and I still have algae everywhere, even though I try to skim them off the plants as much as I can. Some swords have turned transparent and died. The crypts are all dead and removed.

I would like to rescue the tank, but I'm also thinking of using Dry Start Method to start over again.

I didn't cover the soil with anything. Maybe that was no good? I also mixed the soil with some of the sand from ADA, and the whole substrate rests on a thin layer of sand. Maybe that layering is backwards. Soil should go in the bottom, then sand goes on top.
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Yeah if you don't do daily or bi-daily large water changes the ammonia levels can become toxic.
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I'm excited to try the red clay one in a new tank...Sounds like a good xmas gift to myself.
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myhui, use tap for the 1st 1-2 months for the water changes if you use the ADA. Then use the RO/mix/blend thereafter.

You are just wasting the RO water otherwise for the start up phase.
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