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Old 08-28-2013, 09:17 PM   #1
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I'm going to switch my breeding tank over to dirt, and well I was curious if anybody has ever used the moisture control formula, instead of the organic potting mix.

I have a bag of the stuff already from a left over planting project, and I was thinking it might be able to hold nutrients longer or better, well any info will surely help.

I'm so tempted to just try it, but I would hate to kill off all my babies in the process.
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Old 08-28-2013, 09:23 PM   #2
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They identify osmacote as the fertilizer source.Formulation of the fertilizer as listed on packaging is .12 percent ammoniacal nitrogen, .09 percent nitrate nitrogen, .07 percent available phosphate, .14 percent soluble potassium oxide and .10 percent water-soluble iron.
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Old 08-28-2013, 09:24 PM   #3
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You're going to get a huge ammonia spike. I fought getting everything under control for a month on both of my tanks. I have the organic miracle grow for mine.
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I always go here for my organic topsoil

http://cityfloralgreenhouse.com/


Great low price, and located at 1440 Kearney St. Denver, CO 80220. (303)399-1177
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You're going to get a huge ammonia spike. I fought getting everything under control for a month on both of my tanks. I have the organic miracle grow for mine.


So you're saying not to switch over to dirt?

The only reason I want to switch over to dirt is because people always go on and on and on about how great it is, and I want to find out for myself. Also because I only set the tank up with larger gravel at the time, but I want to set it up better now.

If this is going to take for ever to be able to put the fish back in im just going to fill it with Flora maxx like my other tanks.
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Old 08-28-2013, 09:39 PM   #6
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I always go here for my organic topsoil

http://cityfloralgreenhouse.com/


Great low price, and located at 1440 Kearney St. Denver, CO 80220. (303)399-1177
Is there a reason why you go there or why you use that?

How is it different? being curious not douchie.
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Old 08-28-2013, 09:45 PM   #7
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I would think the moisture control stuff would have that polymer they use in diapers in it. I am not sure you would want that in your tank. I user potting soils and dirt from my yard all the time. I don't really see there is much problem. I usually run a new planted tank for a month or two without fish anyway. I don't really see that as a long time.
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I would think the moisture control stuff would have that polymer they use in diapers in it. I am not sure you would want that in your tank. I user potting soils and dirt from my yard all the time. I don't really see there is much problem. I usually run a new planted tank for a month or two without fish anyway. I don't really see that as a long time.
Ok yeah it did mention some clear balls for time release so I guess there goes that.

I wouldn't have a problem leaving it there for a month but I got all the babies to deal with, and I cant put them in any of my other tanks because they will get eaten.

So I guess Flora maxx is the answer then, well I love that stuff anyways.
I might just get some clay to supply some iron, and make another DIY CO2 for it and call it good.
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So far what I'm getting from the responders is that dirt is not a fast
re-scaping kind of material.
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Old 08-28-2013, 11:05 PM   #10
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So far what I'm getting from the responders is that dirt is not a fast
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Yes it can get messy when rescaping with dirt. However, it can be done, slowly and carefully. With stems, I try to pull up gently until I can feel some resistance then start to wiggle it slowly while pulling up. The roots eventually come up and some dirt attached to it. It would be best to turn off your filters when doing this. With heavy root plants such as crypts and swords is somewhat similar but requires a bit more finesse, otherwise you will end up pulling up a large ball of mess. As always, follow up with a siphon and water change clear up the mess and top of your cap where you pulled the plants from.
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Old 08-28-2013, 11:09 PM   #11
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Yes it can get messy when rescaping with dirt. However, it can be done, slowly and carefully. With stems, I try to pull up gently until I can feel some resistance then start to wiggle it slowly while pulling up. The roots eventually come up and some dirt attached to it. It would be best to turn off your filters when doing this. With heavy root plants such as crypts and swords is somewhat similar but requires a bit more finesse, otherwise you will end up pulling up a large ball of mess. As always, follow up with a siphon and water change clear up the mess and top of your cap where you pulled the plants from.
Sorry I meant Switching from X to Dirt and then putting everything back the way they were.
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Is there a reason why you go there or why you use that?

How is it different? being curious not douchie.

First time I decided to do a mineralized topsoil tank, I dropped by there because it's down the street from me, the price was more than fair, and when I sifted through the organic topsoil I barely got any debris and lots of topsoil. So I was just amazed how much dirt I got, and very little debris out of it. The brands name is Earth Essentials Topsoil.


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First time I decided to do a mineralized topsoil tank, I dropped by there because it's down the street from me, the price was more than fair, and when I sifted through the organic topsoil I barely got any debris and lots of topsoil. So I was just amazed how much dirt I got, and very little debris out of it. The brands name is Earth Essentials Topsoil.


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Old 08-29-2013, 03:38 AM   #14
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I just started my dirt tank, and I used the exact same bag o dirt! The initial aquascape on my dirt tank was pretty standard operation. The messy part comes with having to redo your dirt aquascape once its already been established.
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Planning helps, that way you don't have to move very often. In small tanks I just remove all the water. Placing the fish in a bucket with the old tank water. In larger tanks it seems best to turn off the pumps and filters, remove half the water or so and then pull up the rooted plants slowly and carefully. Letting things settle down before refilling the tank. I use sand and often add more when I am done. Poring the sand through a tube you can guide it fairly well.
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