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Old 09-20-2013, 12:54 AM   #16
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Cool man... I just got the Besta stand for my 60P a week ago. I opted for the glossy gray door for it.
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Old 09-20-2013, 01:36 AM   #17
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Cool man... I just got the Besta stand for my 60P a week ago. I opted for the glossy gray door for it.
I couldn't decide so I went with the Black-Brown. I do like the glossy door but I didn't know how it would go. We may do a small Besta setup for our TV and stuff to tie things together.

Just put it together and looks pretty good. I have slight fitment issues right now. One thing I didn't consider was height. I didn't have measurements to go off of and it's about 4.5 in lower than the stand it is replacing. On the flipside, the 60p is about taller, making it 2.5 in shorter. I didn't want to add the legs but that can be an easy fix. The hard part is I really don't want to go back out to Ikea tomorrow to get them as it's about 45 min away without traffic.

I am about to drain the 60P and see how it looks. I hope it is light enough to move with substrate. That is about all I have in me tonight. I was so ready to tear down my 20 long and setup the 60P at 12:00, got home and I am absolutely dead.
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Old 09-20-2013, 02:26 AM   #18
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So this shows the difference in height. I kind of felt my 20L was to low, going from a 29 gallon. In our new place, I like the tank not having to be the main fixture of the room. I am kind of iffy if the 60P is too low but think it will look understated. My wife actually really likes how low it is so it will stay as is for now.

I am trying to figure out if I have the energy to tear down the 20L tonight. I may just transfer the fish, maybe not. I don't know what to do with all the HC and DHG. I may be able to move it with some help and go to DSM until I figure out what to do, put it where the 60P was but that thing is heavy with that slope. Even with rocks out, I have about 40-60lbs of substrate.



Anyway, here is the height comparison:
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Old 09-20-2013, 05:22 AM   #19
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I'm starting my build thread in about a week but I'm slowly getting stuff together. But, yeah the Besta is too short for my taste. I was going to buy the legs too but they only added around 4" in height. I wanted at least 8" and then I started considering building a DIY pedestal and painting it. I felt too lazy and wanted a cheap solution. Then I was looking at my speaker stands that are cement blocks with aluminum rods... as shown here:

Then it hit me, I'll get 8" cubed cement blocks! 3 tightly grouped gets me 60cm long, fits perfect. Lol sounds ghetto, but it works... industrial meets chic.

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Old 09-20-2013, 05:02 PM   #20
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That looks pretty good. The glossy door is different than what I saw as well. The other one is black and grey with a pattern. I like the straight grey. Nice to know there are more than a few options if you go this route.



Now I have to decide how to run my pipes. I know they need to go on the left side so people don't play with them and the front pipe should go close to the glass front. I can do small holes for each pipe but that will limit me to my pipe position. Or I can try to find a wide grommet and do it that way.

Today I will tear down the 20 long and replace it with the 60P. It's more of a pain that it should be since I have autodosers and a lot of inline. I actually will have more usable room in this stand (I think) due to no center brace. I hope I have enough room for one shelf but I am not counting on it.

I hope I am able to move the 20 long so I can get started sooner on the 60P. I really don't want to have to pull up all the HC/DHG at once. We will see. It's going to take me a lot longer to tear down the 20L that it will be to start the 60P.


On that note, if anyone wants a 20 long and is willing to pick up, PM me. I have two, the one I was using has scratches. I believe the other one does not as I think I mixed them up on my start. I have both this wood stand (in very mediocre condition), as well as a metal stand. I live in Concord CA so if you would like to pick up, let me know. I could probably throw in a Coarlife T5NO fixture as well.
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Old 09-20-2013, 06:46 PM   #21
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Out with the old, in with the new:

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Old 09-20-2013, 08:54 PM   #22
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Ok, now onto the stand. I always like to see what others do under the tank, especially high tech or a lot of inline. I have to be honest, I didn't really know how to fit this in so I just did my best. It's a pretty tight fit.

One thing I did not take into account was the hole sizes for lily pipes. I thought 1.5in would be more than enough. However, I did not consider the quick disconnect. It still can come out, you just have to pull the grommets out too so they will not be permanent for now. I am also getting some kinking but that may or may not go away. Worst case, I will step up to 2.5 and use those for the autodosing tubing on the top of the stand, behind the tank.

Plumbing..


With Filter...


Now it just got crazy. Talk about tight fit. I still need to find a better solution for my dry ferts and autodoser. It has about 40-50ft of power cords combined because the fountain pump cords are so long.






Now it is time to fill.
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Old 09-20-2013, 11:10 PM   #23
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Sorry for all the constant updates but I just have done a lot. I finally have it filled and planted the few plants I have. I may start moving things over from my 6 gallon but those trimmings are like 3-5 in tall most.


I wanted to give a review so far of my Besta stand because I couldn't find much info on it.

Pros:
-This thing seems very sturdy. I did the sit on it and see how it feels and it is much sturdier than the stand pictured above with my 20 long. I am not too worried about it failing

-Very affordable. I spent around $70 I believe for everything with tax if I am not mistaken.

-Fits the 60P width as close to exact as I would ever care.

-It assembled perfectly level and stayed level. Unlike other things I used, this thing was pretty square just putting it together.

-It is attractive and customizable. If you like the simple ADA style, this is really similar in style. It has a variety of options, 3 colors for the stand, I believe you have 5-6 for the door (including the 3 colors the stand comes in).

-It keeps the noise very isolated. I used the back piece and only drilled one hole in that. My filter is purging air and is somewhat loud right now. With the door closed, it's totally silent.

-It's easy to come by, easy to assemble etc.

Negatives (what most probably want to hear).

-Unlike an ADA style stand, the tank must go behind the door, leaving a 3/4 in gap in front. In back, you have 3.5 in. Obviously Ikea didn't design this for a 60P so I am not complaining.

-Construction is not even particle board. It's some sort of "semi hollow core" construction. This actually surprised me greatly when drilling in to it.

-As per above, I know this will delaminate quickly as I have other furniture with the same laminate. Now I know, the laminate is actually part of the construction.

-Door fitment is challenging. I actually thought my door was warped at first. It's not so much that the fitment is hard to adjust, it can be hard to understand what does what. Once you play around, it's not bad but took me longer than other furniture with simpler adjustments.

-Stand is pretty short compared to commercial stands. This is covered in above posts but at 6ft 1in tall, the top of my tank is at my waist. I don't really mind and you can get the legs to raise it up more but it's still going to be on the short side.

Advice:
-One thing I didn't take into account on carpet is the weight of the tank compressing into the carpet. There is not enough adjustment to make it not hit the carpet, though I was able to make pretty easy to open. There is adjustment on the bottom so if I would have raised it up, I would have had the clearance. I only would have need 1/4 of an inch. Hard to go back and do after setup

-Get the legs if you don't like a low stand.

-Adjust the door after you have the tank on. I spent a lot of time getting the door right, just to have to readjust it after the fact. Part of it is my carpet issue. However, it was just easier to do after the fact.


I don't know if anyone cares but I had trouble finding much info on this setup, outside the fact it fits the 60P well. I didn't consider the height part, didn't think of some of the issue I encountered and would have never known with the info I found on the net that this could be problematic. I really like this stand overall and just want to help the next person. I would consider the stands they carry now at AFA as well, though more expensive, they are actually made to fit a 60P and should not need modification.
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Old 09-20-2013, 11:24 PM   #24
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Nice review, it will help other would be researchers finding alternative stands. I also had to dig around for info on the besta as a 60p stand. Not everyone lives by AFA so I can imagine shipping wouldn't make the cost more appealing. Ikea is (almost) everywhere! Just don't get the stand wet! Lol
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Nice review, it will help other would be researchers finding alternative stands. I also had to dig around for info on the besta as a 60p stand. Not everyone lives by AFA so I can imagine shipping wouldn't make the cost more appealing. Ikea is (almost) everywhere! Just don't get the stand wet! Lol
Yeah, I forget about shipping. AFA isn't even that close to me, 2 hour round trip if I try to avoid traffic, took me two hours to get to SF in commute traffic the other day. SF is a fun city so I find myself out that way but it's not some where I just get into the car and go to. My wife and friends understand it's an absolute must that we stop there if we are out in SF though, haha.

I am thinking about putting car wax or something to try to keep the water from getting into the stand. Won't be a great fix but good enough. My last stand was MDF so I think I can handle it.

But yeah, I just wanted to give a review as it seems widely used but nobody really says much about it. I could only find a few pictures when I was trying to figure it out.



ON A SIDE NOTE...I just spent about 2 hours trying to figure out how I just went through my whole CO2 tank. Checked everything with the little CO2 I had left, couldn't find a leak. Turns out I forgot to turn my valve back open, how fun of a time.

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Old 09-21-2013, 02:06 AM   #26
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Sooo, I am happy with the Poppy Glass outflow (I think). Between letting my filter go while I was taking down my 20 long and trying to reslope my AS after filled, my filter is really dirty. I cleaned it once but every time it purges air, it starts spitting out all the mulm/sediment inside. I am wondering if I should just let it be or thoroughly clean the filter. I just rinsed the mechanical, I want to keep my bio media intact so I don't have a super long cycle.

What would you experienced people recommend? Keeping the filter as is and letting it cycle with established media, knowing my filter has all sorts of stuff in it or try to thoroughly clean the filter, hopefully keep the bio media (I usually mess that up) and risk having a long cycle with ammonia leach?

Let me know, I will take some pics soon. My tank is still cloudy since I keep messing around and I have only a few plants at the moment.
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Old 09-21-2013, 03:55 AM   #27
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Moving forward. I guess this picture is to show that I have plants and a water bill. Nothing really to see.





I will give a bonus picture as there is not much to see. I have not done much in terms of planting, forgot to buy one plant, and this will come together in time. If you are local, and watch morning news, here is me and the wife at Kron4 news.
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Old 09-21-2013, 04:53 AM   #28
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Oh snap, more people with the Besta stand for their 60P. I got the glossy red doors with glossy white top. Maybe a new pimp group, hmmm?

Get the glossy glass cover, it's awesome!

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You need more plants.

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Old 09-21-2013, 05:28 AM   #30
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I agree with OVT. Always best to start heavy in planted tank and then remove/replace as you get the tank to the look you want.
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