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Old 09-17-2013, 07:46 AM   #1
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ADA 60P---Failure....Low Tech again.


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Since everyone with ADA tanks gets to do a long thread, showing all their things getting shipped in, I feel like I get to do the same.

I got a 60P for my wedding present from a good friend/member on the board. I will keep him nameless, unless he wants to tell, because I don't want people thinking he is just throwing out ADA tanks to people he knows.

I knew about this in advance and started my plans. First, I was going to tear down my 20L and replace the tank with this. Would not have been a bad idea but I want to finish that tank which will be a bit, plus start something new.



That said, I got this on Saturday and thought it looked very good were set it down:


I got this 30 inch PC fixture awhile ago for $20 new. I used it on a low tech 20 long (raised) and it worked OK. A bit too much light but algae was minor. I am starting without co2, but dosing Excel so we will see what happens. CO2 is in the future.



I knew the light wouldn't fit but had some other cool stuff. I am not sure if I am going to put the inline heater on this tank or my 20 long.



I am trying to use existing furnature that is proving to be a pain. My Ecco 2234 didn't fit so I had to shave off the top.



Back to the light. Got out my little miter box and went to work


Before...


After...



I cut 6 inches off, repositioned the light holders, made some wiring shorter and all that. Hard work but only took about 45 min


Did the plumbing. I started with both the intake and outlet on the same side. The intake looked really bad with the tubing extending over the tank. I moved it to the other side, looks better, but not great. I need to decide if I want to sacrifice the shelf above. I kind of like how I got everything to fit in a small space so not sure what I will do. I need 90 degree elbows


Lastly, filled the tank. It was easy as I had a 1 gallon pitcher so it only took 17 trips to the sink and back. Pretty cloudy.







Obviously, at this point, it isn't a planted tank. My goal is to do as close as I can to a true dutch scape on my first attempt at a 60P. Though it is way small than a dutch tank should be, I do feel it has good dimensions for the style.

I am starting without CO2. My reasoning for that is my first planted tank, many years ago, went so well. I went from very low tech to fairly high tech over about a year. I want to do similar, starting with better stuff and move faster.

Now to the "specs" (revised)
Tank: ADA 60P
Light: Aquaticlife T5HO 24wX4
Filter: Eheim 2215 (may switch back to the 2234, not sure)
Pipes: ADA Poppy glass outflow, generic DIY acrylic inflow (for now)
Heater: Hydor 200w inline
CO2: Trustly beverage single stage regulator w/ solenoid and Fabco needle valve. JBJ style bubble counter to Atomic inline diffusers
Substrate: ADA Aqua Soil Amazona (Regular)
Other: Coralife inline 9 watt UV
Stand: Ikea Besta shelving unit w/ door

Plants:
None, obviously. Will update. Will be a collectoritis tank. I want to add as much as I can.

Live stock:
Not sure. It may be community, it may be single species. For the first time, I am not going to try to go small. I may go with Congo Tetras or some type of Rainbow fish if I can fit. In basic research, seems like my tank is too small. We will see. Last priority.


End Goal:
I really want to do a successful dutch style scape but I don't want a large tank. To me, a dutch style tank is not as simple as having a lot of plants, it's about arrangement, manicuring, and soft-scaping. I don't know that I can achieve that, it's my goal.

My real goal is to impress my wife enough to have her want this in our bedroom. My 6 gallon is in there now and she loves it. I want to hopefully show her I can do better, have her move the nano to her office (or mine) and move this in our master. I think I will like it in my little recording studio but it seems a bit big now that I have done the work. Shoehoring the filter was a pain, CO2 will be a pain, heater may be a pain. Plus, I don't like water over all my vinyl.


Long story, not to much going on. I am off to AFA tomorrow, hopefully. We will see what the wife lets me get. Plants are easy, hoping to got some lily pipes. I want SS ones but they only have the inflow, or did as of last time. I may still buy that and hope to get the outflow online or something. We will have to see.

Thanks for looking,
Matt

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Old 09-17-2013, 10:07 AM   #2
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Cool... mini dutch you say? Following

I just got my 60P too recently. I haven't started my build thread yet but as I'm planning along, I think it's starting to be a little on the "collectoritis tank" side too. It's so hard to keep it simple! LOL
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Old 09-17-2013, 02:06 PM   #3
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Nice equipment!
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Old 09-18-2013, 12:58 AM   #4
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So I have a bit of lily pipe dilemma here. I really want SS ones but AFA only has the intake. I actually was thinking about going with off brand but they won't fit.

However, with the Eheim piece, flow is pretty strong and I think anything similar to it may be too strong for an all stem tank. Now I am thinking a Do!aqua poppy glass. I am not fond of glass but I have no choice in this style.

Any advice? I don't want to do half glass half SS. I am thinking the poppy glass is better, even though I don't like glass. I may post this in the equipment forum as well.
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Old 09-18-2013, 01:44 AM   #5
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I personally like Cal Aqua pipes... but I can certainly appreciate SS for not having to clean them as much, not to mention durability.

I saw some Gush and BorneoWild SS pipes on Southern Oak Aquatics...

http://southernoakaquatics.com/filter-pipes/
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Old 09-18-2013, 02:04 AM   #6
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I can vouch for BW and gush being high quality products. I own both and they are beloved!
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Old 09-18-2013, 03:08 AM   #7
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I have considered the BW SS pipes. I have a few Cal Aqua things that I don't fit my personal aesthetics but they are super durable. I have had a drop checker for many years, dropped it more than once on hard wood and it is still going strong.

I will say part of my reasoning for thinking ADA/Do!aqua is I can buy it tomorrow. I don't like mail order on general but more so on things that are pricey, probably over priced, that I just want to spoil myself with. I haven't had money to spend in awhile on this stuff so I want it now. Who knows, I may spend my money all on plants. I may just do the outflow for now as this is the first tank in a long time I can hide things. I could do a spray bar if it goes right, outside of trimming.
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Old 09-19-2013, 01:04 AM   #8
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Edit: never have done pics off phone, can't figure this out

So I ended up deciding on an ADA Poppy Glass outflow. I couldn't decide if I wanted a matching outflow or a violet glass. The didn't have the poppy glass inflow so that made my decision easy, I got neither and spent the rest on plants. I have never been to AFA on the weekday and it was great, so much personalized attention. They do carry their own stands as well, not nearly as nice as ADA but look good in the right color (dark grey). The wood ones look decent for the money but look a bit cheap. Cost is around $200 for a 60p. Will take that into consideration if I put my 60p where my 20l is.

Here is what I got:


Not to be a brand whore but there bag is cool too:

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Old 09-19-2013, 02:14 AM   #9
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The bag was $20 by itself?

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Old 09-19-2013, 02:19 AM   #10
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you are so lucky to have AFA so close. I am very jealous
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The bag was $20 by itself?

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Just kidding.

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Old 09-19-2013, 04:02 AM   #13
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Are you sure that bag was free??? Lol jk
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Looking good Matt! Can't wait to see the next stages...
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So, this tank is going in another direction. I was being stubborn about my 20L. It is on it's 4th or 5th try, finally kind of coming together and I just wanted to finish it. It was the first time I felt like I did decent at a natural style tank so I just wanted to see it through. At this point, it just doesn't interest me all that much and I got far along enough to know how it would have looked.

On the flip side, the 60P is just too big for the room it is in. It's about 150 sq ft. On top of that, about 1/3 or more of that room is taken up by my recording equipment, vinyl collection, etc. The tank just looks out of place. It's cool to know my Ecco 2234 will fit in here and I got verification that some paintball co2 setups will work but I just can't have the 60p in the room.


That said, I will tear down the 20 long and move the 60P in the space. I bought an Ikea Besta stand which I think looks nicer than the stands at AFA (not sure if they are branded as Archaea or not but I think they are exclusive to AFA, not sure). I haven't set up the Ikea stand, I hope I bought the right parts, lol, but it will have to have about a 1/2 in gap for the door. The AFA one fits the 60P perfectly so it may be a better choice for those who may be interested (can't find it on there site but they had more than a few in stock).

In addition, I go from a 65 watt PC fixture to a 4 bulb T5HO fixture that should be more light than I should ever need. I will now use CO2.

I was hoping to get this all together tonight but between stopping by Ikea on the way home, then Berkeley Bowl (both pretty tiring), I won't lie, I am exhausted and popped a beer the second I got home. I will assemble the stand tonight at the least, likely drain the 60P and start the rest tomorrow.
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