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Old 09-14-2013, 03:02 AM   #31
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So do I, Rachel. heh That's why I created this club out of frustration. The more we share, the more we know. the more we know, the more patterns and colors can be created.

Beautiful BBRR by the way! Are those F1s? May I add you as a member?

I love love love a good BBRR. I think it is one of the prettiest neos out there, and it's a shame more people haven't explored them.
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Old 09-14-2013, 11:39 AM   #32
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So do I, Rachel. heh That's why I created this club out of frustration. The more we share, the more we know. the more we know, the more patterns and colors can be created.

Beautiful BBRR by the way! Are those F1s? May I add you as a member?

I love love love a good BBRR. I think it is one of the prettiest neos out there, and it's a shame more people haven't explored them.
Yea, for sure.

I have many generations of rilis, but the blues just started showing up. The F1 thing for me is confusing, as that would be a first generation tank bred from wild stock, and none of these line bred neos are technically wild stock, perhaps we need new descriptors.
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Old 09-14-2013, 12:44 PM   #33
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Yea, for sure.

I have many generations of rilis, but the blues just started showing up. The F1 thing for me is confusing, as that would be a first generation tank bred from wild stock, and none of these line bred neos are technically wild stock, perhaps we need new descriptors.
F1 is supposed to be the first generation from any one breeding, F standing for filial. That breeding doesn't need to be from wild stock.
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+1 to Olive. Basically P1 indicates your starting point and F1 denotes the first offspring.

From there it gets really muddy. Ideally one separates and moves each generation to their own tank to follow progress and denote each generation there after. However as shrimpers it is not feasible for most of us- so as a result there's a lot of back breeding going on, etc. Because of this we tend to bastardize the process some and make educated guesses as to what generation we're up to now in our tanks.
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Old 09-15-2013, 01:04 AM   #35
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From there it gets really muddy. Ideally one separates and moves each generation to their own tank to follow progress and denote each generation there after. However as shrimpers it is not feasible for most of us- so as a result there's a lot of back breeding going on, etc. Because of this we tend to bastardize the process some and make educated guesses as to what generation we're up to now in our tanks.
How many tanks do we need and how many generations will take before we can see some light through the tunnel?
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That depends on what you decide to try and how lucky you get.

there's many different ideas on how to go about this. I'm hoping this club will get us all to communicate with each other while we find out the best results.
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Old 09-15-2013, 02:32 AM   #37
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Well, my betta just got a new tank, leaving my Evolve4 ready for BBRR experimentation. He'll be able to move over as soon as it's cycled. My husband is quite the enabler.
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haha, yes, filial means sons and daughters, but it is generally accepted, at least with fish, that this starts from wild offspring

Definition of FILIAL GENERATION
: a generation in a breeding experiment that is successive to a mating between parents of two distinctively different but usually relatively pure genotypes


I guess it sort of applies, just seems a bit muddy to me
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To muddy it even further, we don't have homozygous shrimp necessarily. heh So, we just do what we have to to make sense for ourselves.

I'm really hoping that by sharing what we do to try to create, we inturn may help others and ourselves to unlock a little part of genetics for shrimp.

Wouldn't it be great to know that

x color + y color = z color?
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yup!
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This is about fish selective breeding, it may help us a little.
http://www.fao.org/docrep/field/009/v8720e/V8720E03.htm
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Lots of information there shrimpo!
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Old 09-20-2013, 02:12 PM   #43
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Where's everyone at as far as the BBRR project?
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Where's everyone at as far as the BBRR project?
Cycling tank, curious as to what type of stock to start with. Also, bought salty shrimp bee GH+ by mistake.
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Old 09-20-2013, 03:07 PM   #45
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That's what I use.

As for starting point, that's really up to you. I did RR x BR and have some light blue BBRR, but man I had to go through a lot of shrimp to have those.
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