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Old 09-13-2013, 09:02 PM   #16
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Are there any known alleles for shrimp? Any known crosses that produce reliable results that we can track?
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Old 09-13-2013, 09:19 PM   #17
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I do not know of any, and I have been researching/breeding for a while now. If anybody does know any, it would be great to hear.

There used to be some info at http://shrimpsider.wordpress.com/tag/kumak-shrimp/ but it was taken down.

kumakshrimp.com is a great place to start understanding the ideas of color.
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Old 09-13-2013, 09:41 PM   #18
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Looks like great info if I can figure out how to translate it.

I found this discussion on white shrimp where Kumak talks briefly about the red and blue pigments on rilis. May or may not help or make sense to us newbies. http://www.mondocaridine.com/web/for...now-white.html
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Old 09-13-2013, 10:04 PM   #19
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Basically I think he's saying that you can create a better quality red hood/tail by breeding with pfr.

Which is true. I've done that myself. However after that you have to cull cull cull to get back to a high grade rili quality again.

He's also saying that if you leave blue tissue to breed randomly with blue tissue, it will eventually degenerate to clear. That's why you need to breed the best to best.
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Old 09-13-2013, 10:11 PM   #20
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So the trick seems to be how to keep the high quality red characteristics and keep the blue from degenerating, since it seems to cancel itself out. Hmmm.
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Old 09-13-2013, 10:16 PM   #21
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Yep, but when you think about it, the best shrimp is always bred by culling anyway. If left to their own devices, shrimp tend to go backwards in grades by random breeding.
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Old 09-13-2013, 10:17 PM   #22
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I would like to join.

All i have now is red cherry. JUst started - got them a few days ago.
Is this allright to start from
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What should I get to try to get these BBRR started.
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Old 09-13-2013, 10:25 PM   #23
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You can join, Mr.reef Glad to have ya.

Red Rilis may be a good place to start your project, but if you can't do that at the moment, we can still use your thoughts.

mosspearl, the major challenges I've found is that for some reason the blue tends to cause havoc with the red quality of coverage.

Red hood/tail + Blue tissue = K (whereas K is a constant)

So if one goes up, the other tends to go down. Like a see saw. I think the trick is to little by little increase each side. But this is just guessing at this point.
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Old 09-13-2013, 10:44 PM   #24
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Thnaks for putting me on the list & in the club

LUCKY #13 ---- yes!


For now I will be an observer primarily

I looked around a little

what about a cross of red rirl & blue jelly ---
any thoughts or has any body done ???
maybe I will ---
but not for a month or so after watching whats going to go on.

I really like the look of the "BBRR" in the first post ---
GREAT looking shrimp
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Old 09-13-2013, 10:48 PM   #25
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So it may end up being like the goal to produce the perfect Dutch or Harlequin rabbit... you consistently produce x number of culls for every one perfect specimen you get.

Welcome, Mr. Reef! The more the merrier!
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Blue Jelly I believe is another name for BV.

mosspearl, you may very well be correct. When trying to set a strain, that usually happens anyway to a lesser degree.
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Old 09-13-2013, 11:55 PM   #27
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i just snapped some pics of the ones I have been working with- had no idea you were into these bryce. I will post them up once I crop them
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So I have crossed high grade cherries with my red rilis, and they consistently throw a few of these bluer ones each berry. I have been pulling those, but haven't decided what to add next. Seems like when the blue gets nice,t he red has a more maroon appearance (makes sense by color theory), and I sacrifice the nice striping for the better blue color. I dunno. It is not something I am working super hard on, but I do cull/separate ALL shrimp I get in and the ones I keep to breed. Here are just a few quick snaps

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Old 09-14-2013, 12:16 AM   #29
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Nice pics, Rachel. Good to meet you. I've heard lots of good things about your shrimp.
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thanks! I don't get to spend as much time on my "projects" as I would like as it takes a lot of time to maintain the fish room as a whole. I do have about 12 or so fo these separated out, they are first generation showing blue and most still have some red coverage. Not sure where to go next.

On another note, i am also working at making a blue dwarf crayfish with similar issues. Wish there were papers out there to help!
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