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Old 01-16-2004, 03:34 PM   #1
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I've recently rearranged my old fancy goldfish tank as a tropical setup. I had a small unidentified fish hitch a ride, so whilst waiting for it to grow a little, I'm looking for stocking ideas. The tank, pictured below, is a 30L, with 11W of lighting.

My LFS is selling Red Dwarf Gouramis for 7.99 a pair. Would these be OK in my tank, or would I be better off with the tetra mix I considered originally.

The mystery fish, pictured, is now just over 1cm long. It is developing a stripe along its back, has a pointed face and a double tail, reminiscent of a fantail goldfish, however I don't think it is one. I hope to post a better picture soon.
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Old 01-16-2004, 05:17 PM   #2
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Are you planning on putting the Fancy Goldfish in there? Or is this just going to be a tropical community? Dwarf Gouramis are great fish! They should do great in that tank with some tetras. Not sure about the Fancy Goldfish, though.
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Old 01-17-2004, 07:58 AM   #3
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Oh no I took the fancy goldfish out in order to make this tank. They were just getting too big. I also lost enough plants not to make that mistake again They're doing fine now in a large tank at work with a couple of standard comets. There's even some frisky behaviour today ops:

I really like the look of the Dwarf Gouramis; I'm going over today to get a couple of Peppered Corys to start work on the bottom of the tank. I also have some better photos of the mystery fish, which is looking more and more like a fancy gf.
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Old 01-18-2004, 07:53 PM   #4
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Thanks for the advice GCA. I got my pair of Red Dwarf Gouramis yesterday along with two Peppered Corys. The Corys are absolutely nuts I'm going to let them settle in before getting some tetras. My LFS has black neon and standard neon tetras at 10 for 9.00.
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Old 01-18-2004, 07:57 PM   #5
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Yuo could even try honey gouramis with those for variation, many of the colisa species tend to hang out together in the wild...
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Old 01-19-2004, 08:59 AM   #6
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I like the look of those, but I notice that most people say they need soft water. You could do someone an injury with the water around here :x (no discus for me).

What sort of floating plants would be appropriate? In a large tank at work we have some stemmed plants that, whilst they don't exactly float, do grow right to the top with large, broad leaves. Would these be OK?

I've also read that they're voracious plant eaters. I spent a fair bit decking out this tank (mostly on the Anubias and the Java fern), so I don't want it to be chomped

Lastly, if I added a pair of these, would I still be able to add a school (say 10) of black neon tetras, or would I be approaching overstocking?
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Old 01-19-2004, 09:27 AM   #7
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I don't think it will be that big a problem, remember these fishies swim in the muddy indian rivers, and don't even realy need a big source of waterborne oxyger as they can breathe air... Quite franky, I think they are much tougher (say compared to small tetras) than they get credit for...

As for black neon tetra's, their is lots of confusion around the name amongst people, so lets just clarify...

You dont mean blackskirt or blackwidow tetras by any chance? They do get quite large (for a tetra), and are extremeley effiecient and fast feeders, being able to make all the food dissapearbefore anyone else notices its there... I do have a love hate relationship with those, will do a species only tank for them someday...

The proper black tetra may well be more viable, but once again, I have grown a personal prefference for fishes with similar characteristics to be housed together, like slower swimming gracious fish together and darters together.

I know there are the exceptions of fish needing dither fishes to make them feel safe, but those are in anyway much more specialised species, far removed form these eazy fish.
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Old 01-19-2004, 11:03 AM   #8
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Do you have the latin species names for those? The LFS just lists them as Black Neon Tetras, but say they grow to between 2 and 3 cm.
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Old 01-19-2004, 01:07 PM   #9
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Black neon tetra - Hyphessobrycon herbertaxelrodi


Black tetra (black widdow, blackskirt) - Gymnocorymbus ternetzi
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Thanks Nordic, my LFS is definitely selling the top species - Black Neons. What would be a good-sized school in a tank of my size?
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Old 01-20-2004, 12:09 PM   #11
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clearly it needs a small yellow goldfish!
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Old 01-21-2004, 09:35 AM   #12
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Would I be right in sensing that you're a Goldfish fan, Mori?

BTW, if anyone could suggest some appropriate yellow fish, that might be a nice addition to the tank.
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Erm, Those pretty golden yellow ballon mollies....?

Lol, my yellow fish is a chinese alage eater which now seems to be a golden algae eater... very pretty yellow with crimson spots on the face...
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ok...yellow fish that aren't goldfish. Apparently you don't want to buy a new, larger tank for your new fish!

Angelfish! The sunset blusher types are really really yellow. Yellow enough to satisfy a goldfish fan (I'm not REALLY a goldfish fan--at least I do not appreciate the fatties. I do like the cheap fish-shaped ones though.) As an added bonus, when they're young you can see through them so you know when to feed them!

I agree with Nordic that the yellow Chinese algae eaters are very pretty and very yellow and have charming personalities. I keep one with my yellow angelfish! (The yellow apple snail had to go live with the goldfish after he ate my plants though.) You have to make sure they have a hiding place and alot of food when they get bigger or they might get aggressive in a few years (they might anyway). But they're a fabulous yellow!

So, yellow angels and a yellow CAE. New tank for the goldie and you're set!
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You could try gold gouramis also.
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