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Old 09-11-2013, 07:07 AM   #16
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Really cool tank! Hopefully I can set something up like this sometime soon.

Next time, you could try adding a Fathead minnow or something for the bug issue. They tend to eat larvaes and have a small enough bioload to where this size would be ok, not to mention they're dirt cheap.
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Old 09-11-2013, 05:31 PM   #17
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Really cool tank! Hopefully I can set something up like this sometime soon.

Next time, you could try adding a Fathead minnow or something for the bug issue. They tend to eat larvaes and have a small enough bioload to where this size would be ok, not to mention they're dirt cheap.
Without too much research, I don't think I feel comfortable with livestock unless it's something I want to move to another tank. That's why RCS work, I can easily transfer them to another tank if I am leaving town. Evaporation is a big issue on this.

I think giving the wood a good soak in a larger container for a few days will do the job fine. Just didn't take it into account.
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Old 09-11-2013, 05:48 PM   #18
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Sorry to hear about the mosquito. That was a nice setup. I would've just put a guppy/endler in to gobble them all up
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Old 09-11-2013, 07:38 PM   #19
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Sorry to hear about the mosquito. That was a nice setup. I would've just put a guppy/endler in to gobble them all up
It wasn't just larva, I actually had mosquitoes in my room. I couldn't figure out why I was getting bit so much and then it occurred to me. Now it's out, problem solved.


I think I will have it back up within a month. There really isn't a whole lot to it, just a piece of wood and some substrate. I am guessing I could set it back up, after soaking and cleaning everything that will be reused in about an hour or so.
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Old 09-21-2013, 11:06 AM   #20
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that looks great, i set up a similar thing yesterday and did not even consider the wood setup like that.

well done/sucks about the buys.
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Old 09-25-2013, 08:24 PM   #21
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The return.

I first want to say that I killed all the moss on this thing. I asked if insect repellant would kill anything, it kills moss. No biggie, I will just add more. Just will take longer to look good.

I am doing a DSM, something I don't really enjoy. The only reason is my HC is on it's last leg and I really don't think it will make it any other way. I likely will not wait until it roots and fills in, just to recovery. I added a crazy amount of DHG, it's hard to tell but each of the two clumps has a root mass that is about 1x3 inches of solid roots. I also added some sort of emmersed plant from OVT.

Once I see if the HC will recover, I will fill. I am adding what little moss I have as well but I can easily propagate it over time. I may or may not re-add terrestrial moss to this.

Anyway, it's back

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Old 09-26-2013, 07:24 AM   #22
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Sweeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeet!
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Old 09-26-2013, 07:29 AM   #23
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Way to go!
I have a lot of java moss and DHG sitting in a cap - yours when we have a meet this Sat.

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Old 09-26-2013, 09:02 AM   #24
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interesting... how do you prevent the top of the wood with the moss from over drying up?
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Old 09-26-2013, 04:39 PM   #25
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interesting... how do you prevent the top of the wood with the moss from over drying up?
It's a combination of the wood wicking up water and probably having so much evaporation. As far as I know, most mosses don't die when they don't get enough water, the only go dormant until they get enough water so even in 100 degree heat, it's kept on going without water. I am talking about both terrestrial and aquatic moss, the aquatic moss came first. But yeah, basically the wood seems to retain quite a bit of water, the DHG on top has been there for years without consistent watering and is still alive.



On another note, I am not sure if I will be able to do a DSM on the HC or not. Evaporation is very significant on this tank and it dries out so fast. I think I will have to fill the first day I am not working at home so we will how long that will be. I am not even sure it will survive so we will have to see. I don't know if HC is going to look the best, I chose it because I find it to be a relatively easy low tech ground cover on tanks with light so close to the substrate.

I also am going to try an orchid again, I have two more mini ones. Again, not sure if that will even work well but if it does, it should be really cool.
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Old 09-29-2013, 04:16 PM   #26
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Here is a bit of an update. The HC did not pull through so I replaced it with Glosso. Glosso wasn't my first choice but I am planning on trying HC in my 6 gallon (have a little bit more that is healthy) so I had extra glosso. My hope is that it softens up the look as the driftwood is very "harsh" looking (in a good way IMO). I may or may not keep the Glosso but that is the goal.

Unfortunately, I may have introduced some algae to this tank. Well I did introduce algae, we will see if it is problematic. I can does with Excel but it seems like water volume is about 20oz so it may be hard to be accurate. I hope I don't kill anything.

I also got a very large amount of moss from member Markahsf. He believes it to be Peacock Moss but isn't sure, I don't know my mosses but it should work. I added less than 1/4 or what he gave. I need to cut it up into smaller pieces to make it more usable and I will add more. I will then have Java, Peacock and Fissidens on this so hopefully that will add some difference in color and texture. Not sure if the terrestrial moss will come back or not, if not, I will have to find some more.

Sorry for the long back story but I think this is starting to look better, still has a ways to go.

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Old 10-30-2013, 03:34 AM   #27
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Long time no update. I introduced some algae into the tank off my DHG. It isn't bad but this "tank" is almost impossible to clean. I decided to basically go all emmersed for now and fill again later.

The glosso is not carpeting at all, I may add something else. It's hard to see in the pics but I have a lot of little spots of HC and terrestrial moss that will really make this look good. I also have emersed growth finally at the top section too. Not sure what, I just put a bunch of small clippings on top. Anyway, going way slower than I would like. If I don't see improvements in the next month or two, I may just take it outside again.

It's crazy that the DHG on top survives. I don't mist this at all, it has been outside in 100+ degree heat without constant watering, etc.

Anyway, here is how it sits as of today:


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Old 10-30-2013, 01:19 PM   #28
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It looks like it was about a gallon- and for the mosquitos, you might be able to add one or two male least killifish- they max out at about a half inch, and occur pretty commonly in mosquito-larvae-infested Florida swamps. They wouldn't add that much bioload, either, or even that much movement. I really recommend them. Make sure they're male, though, females get twice as big.
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It looks like it was about a gallon- and for the mosquitos, you might be able to add one or two male least killifish- they max out at about a half inch, and occur pretty commonly in mosquito-larvae-infested Florida swamps. They wouldn't add that much bioload, either, or even that much movement. I really recommend them. Make sure they're male, though, females get twice as big.
Mosquitos are long gone or this thing would not be in my home. However, I really don't think putting anything but a RCS or two would work in this tank. It's about 1/2 gallon empty and between the substrate and the wood, I am guessing its about 20 OZ of water. Anyway, not a problem, but this is a very small setup.
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Great setup! The light and stand are a perfect match.

How long did it take your moss to grow? I can't get any type of moss to grow in water or on dirt. Did you get any type of melting at the start?

I like the fact that you can see and enjoy a setup like this, as all of mine are mist cover fog with a glimmer of green.

What are you replacing the set up with?
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