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Old 08-12-2013, 05:01 AM   #16
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try shooting raw +. I have found that in some cases the jpeg is good enough for certain things and can save time in PP. Not all subjects warrant PP. Shooting both gives me that option. SD cards for my camera are cheap. I've got a bunch of them. One hint about them. Never ever fill them up totally.

Never thought you were sounding defensive at all. Just a discussion among a couple of friends.

About 6 moths before I got my Pentax I was ready to switch to Canon. I was about to stroke the check to replace all of my equipment in the Canon lineup. I was looking at over 25 large. ( read that as twenty five thousand and really closer to 32.)

One thing film teaches that digital really doesn't is to get it right in the camera.

And I do know many photographers. I do PP for a bunch of them.
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Old 08-12-2013, 05:14 PM   #17
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Yes, I know not to fill up a card completely. That's how your card can either lock up or corrupt the images. Then it's good bye photos... not a good thing.

Why would you switch over to a different system if you already dropped so much money on the one that you currently have? Because honestly, it's not WHAT system you use to get the images, it's HOW you use the system. Anyone can have a great camera system, but without proper knowledge of how to use it, the images will still turn out crappy.

Getting it right in camera is the best way of doing it. Exactly why beginners should start with film over digital. Anyone can go in once the shot is taken and spend quite some time in PP to make it the way they want, but it's a hell of a lot easier to spend the extra time to get it right in camera (whether that be an extra 5 min or 30 min). It will save you a lot of time in PP.
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Old 08-12-2013, 06:27 PM   #18
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At the time I didn't know about Pentax's digital lineup. Such that it was/is. Never regretted getting the K10D though. I've done event photography, food, and product photography with it. All on a par with the Canon and Nikon gear.

To think the Canon 8 mp body was about 8 grand at the time.

Some of my shots take weeks to setup. Only to have it rain the day it's supposed to happen.

Your last statement is very spot on. But that relates to a bunch of related fields also.
I still like using my full frame Pentaxes. Keeps the skills up to par so I don't have to do as much PP with my K10. But it's been a while. Seems I don't own a FF that has auto focus and my eyes aren't the same as they were when I shot film all the time.

Have to say Shinycard this has been an enjoyable conversation. Hope it's the same on your end.
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I believe when I first bought my Canon 30D when it first came out, it was around $1400. I can't believe I spent that same amount of money for a camera that has almost 3x the pixels and also shoots video. How times have changed...

So far, I'm really liking the Mark II. I love the fact that I can shoot at 800 and see a very minimal amount of noise. I still have yet to mess around with the video function. When I first got it, I learned how to record video, but that was all of my experimentations thus far. I'm sure I'll dapple in it eventually. But I still do like my 30D. I do sometimes miss the crop factor though. I loved shooting with my 50mm f/1.4 (80mm cropped) when I was shooting portraits because it was very similar to the 85mm f/1.2L lens.

It was a fun conversation. I don't have many people I can talk to about this stuff and actually understand what I'm saying.
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Just blow the shot up to the same size as a crop sensor gives and crop it. Same exact thing. Remember it is a CROP either way. Whether the camera cuts out the border or you do it's the same.

If you didn't live so dang far away we could go shooting.
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Little confused about what you mean... the way I looked it at it was that the crop sensor would magnify the effect in the lens. So if you were shooting with a 50mm, it's actually more of an 80mm and a 24-70mm lens is more of an 38-112mm lens. Correct me if I'm wrong, but I don't think that cropping a photo in PP will give the same effect.

I have family down in FL, but they are in Fort Lauderdale. Still a ways away from Land O' Lakes.
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The sensor isn't magnifying at all. Let's say full format is 2 x 3. A "cropped sensor" can only capture 1 x 2. The lens still projects an image of 2 x 3 but only part of it is captured. To get the print of the cropped sensor to the same size as the full frame you have to enlarge the image.

Nothing has changed in regards to the lens. it is still projecting a 2 x 3 image. Your just not capturing all of it.
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Just adding what I learned when I was researching on 7D and 5D.
FF sensor has an area of 864 mm sq. And an APS-C has 337.5 mm sq.

Initially I was thinking that why not buy a full frame and just crop the image to the size of image which would come out of an APS-C sensor. Both the images would be the same.
But no. What I forgot was, if you calculate the number of pixels per mm sq, 5D has 24421.2 px per mm sq and 7D has 53333.3 px per mm sq which is just double of what 5D has.
So if you'd crop a picture from 5D of the same size as an APS-C sensor, it'd lose 12.8 Mega pixels. And would remain only 8.3 mega pixel image.

So what I could conclude is- Both the cameras have their diff uses. So comparing these 2 cameras is not a logical thing. If you're into wildlife and all 7D is a wise choice and if you're a studio person, 5D is the way to go

Note- Noise problem of 7D is a whole diff story. Please correct me if I went wrong somewhere.
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Just adding what I learned when I was researching on 7D and 5D.
FF sensor has an area of 864 mm sq. And an APS-C has 337.5 mm sq.

Initially I was thinking that why not buy a full frame and just crop the image to the size of image which would come out of an APS-C sensor. Both the images would be the same.
But no. What I forgot was, if you calculate the number of pixels per mm sq, 5D has 24421.2 px per mm sq and 7D has 53333.3 px per mm sq which is just double of what 5D has.
So if you'd crop a picture from 5D of the same size as an APS-C sensor, it'd lose 12.8 Mega pixels. And would remain only 8.3 mega pixel image.

So what I could conclude is- Both the cameras have their diff uses. So comparing these 2 cameras is not a logical thing. If you're into wildlife and all 7D is a wise choice and if you're a studio person, 5D is the way to go

Note- Noise problem of 7D is a whole diff story. Please correct me if I went wrong somewhere.
Sumer if you're a studio person a Pentax 645D is the way to go.
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Cool...
I'm not a studio guy though.. Fishes, bird and sometimes my girlfriend.. thats what my photography is all about.

Shinycard- If you want mind me asking, can you please tell me where did you buy the cam from? I'm on the verge of buying 7D + 100-400mm + 100mm L.
B&H looks like reputable but costly. Same with Adorama :/
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Sumer, the camera was purchased from B&H. I've been shopping there for a few years. Adorama is also a good site. I've ordered from them before as well. Another one that I also visit once and a while is KEH. Purchased a wide angle lens from them. All are reputable sites and you have nothing to worry about. All the sites have their own rating systems for used equipment so make sure to double check the rating before purchasing.
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