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Old 08-03-2013, 09:28 PM   #16
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The Adventures of me and my 90g Tank.


Today is a much better day. Thanks to all who helped and after a 20g water change things are back to crystal clear with no foam. Lesson learned. No more using PH adjusters.

I did order a remineralizer and, after talking to some one at the company that makes my RO, it sounds like that should do the trick in lowering the PH.

Today I introduced some fish; 8 Rummy Nose tetras, 2 Celebres Rainbow, and a Silver Goby for my refugium.

Everyone is happy and alert. Tetras are schooling, Rainbows following them and the gobi is chasing ghost shrimp around.

I've decided to order the Current USA Satellite Plus to add some more light, although the regular Satellite I already have seems to be doing fine on it's own.

After talking to you guys here and a very knowledgeable employee at my LFS I feel MUCH better. I've taken the proper steps, done my homework, and now it's time to relax and let my tank come together.

Thanks for the help, more updates to come.

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Old 08-05-2013, 01:22 AM   #17
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Well, I lost one tetra and one rainbow to my overflow (morons apparently) but as of this morning everyone else was fine. I come home tonight to find the goby dead in the bottom of the refugium. He was fine earlier! Eating, swimming, bullying shrimp. What the hell? Shrimp seem to be fine and the solo rainbow is still chasing the school of tetras.

So, time for more testing.

PH 7.4
Ammonia 2.0-3.0 (the green is impossible to read)
Nitrite .25
Nitrate 0

And what does this mean? Basically, the Tetra Smart Start didn't do crap and I'm having an ammonia spike. Which means, Nitrogen Cycle, not over. I'm quickly learning there are no short cuts.

Bummed about that goby.

I'm curious what you guys think. Is it a bad idea to have the charcoal in the sump? Should I let the ammonia spike to kick start the cycle? Is it spiking now?

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Old 08-05-2013, 03:15 AM   #18
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Well, I lost one tetra and one rainbow to my overflow (morons apparently) but as of this morning everyone else was fine. I come home tonight to find the goby dead in the bottom of the refugium. He was fine earlier! Eating, swimming, bullying shrimp. What the hell? Shrimp seem to be fine and the solo rainbow is still chasing the school of tetras.

So, time for more testing.

PH 7.4
Ammonia 2.0-3.0 (the green is impossible to read)
Nitrite .25
Nitrate 0

And what does this mean? Basically, the Tetra Smart Start didn't do crap and I'm having an ammonia spike. Which means, Nitrogen Cycle, not over. I'm quickly learning there are no short cuts.

Bummed about that goby.

I'm curious what you guys think. Is it a bad idea to have the charcoal in the sump? Should I let the ammonia spike to kick start the cycle? Is it spiking now?
It means your tank isn't cycled yet. I wouldn't add any fish until your ammonia and nitrite readings are 0. Adding carbon to a planted tank is not necessary as it will strip any ferts you add to the tank. The only time I would add carbon is if you need to dose meds and need to remove them from the water.

Those quick cycle liquids are no good if you ask my opinion. I know other people like to use them but I always just allow the cycle to take place. It may take some time but patience is necessary to this hobby and you will make many costly mistakes if you can't be patient.
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Old 08-05-2013, 03:25 AM   #19
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Right on. Thanks for the info on the charcoal. This is why I post here. All of you have been great and I really appreciate any info be it opinion or hard science.

Patience... I can do that. More testing and updates tomorrow.
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Old 08-07-2013, 12:22 AM   #20
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Is your light raised above the tank or sitting on top of the tank? You get your other LED fixture in yet? Curious to see it!
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Old 08-08-2013, 03:11 AM   #21
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Just got my Satellite Plus today. Long day at work and have to finish editing a podcast but as soon as it's up and running I'll put up pics.
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Default Current Satellite and Satellite plus side by side

I hooked up my Satellite Plus side by side with the regular Satellite and truthfully, I'm not sure I need both. The Plus is definitely brighter and the color settings are really impressive (I've been messing with them all day). The first pic is of the lights side by side on top of the tank. The Second is both strips on and the third is only the plus. What do you guys think? Do I need both?
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Store bought nitrifying bacteria do sometimes work (keyword sometimes), but not when there's already a pretty large bioload to begin with. It's meant for a new tank set up with maybe 1 or 2 small fish like guppies or something as the ammonia source.

As for lighting, I personally think you should be fine with one, but I don't know much about lighting so I'll leave that for other people. Glad things are picking up for you though!
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Old 08-10-2013, 05:08 PM   #24
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Default To Spray Bar or not to Spray Bar???

I've been looking at some spray bar set ups on You tube and digging on them. That said, I can't find a lot of info on the benefits/drawbacks of the spray bar. If I go with one I would be building it (after building my standpipe I feel like a PVC da Vinci). and would love some input on hole placement etc. The bar would sit at the top of the tank seeing as I'm not using CO2.

The reason I ask is because I feel like my split return is creating a little too much flow in one direction. Maybe it's just a matter of me moving them around and playing with placement but currently I'm kind of blowing some debris around the right corner of the tank (overflow and return on the left).

Any spray bar fans, detractors out there?
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Old 08-12-2013, 03:13 AM   #25
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Well, I pulled the trigger and built a spray bar. And it was super easy! One 3" foot piece of PVC with a cap glued to one end and a male screw cap to the other, some black spray paint and some holes and BOOM! Spray Bar. And my flow couldn't be better. I love how much surface motion I've got and wow, I was blown away at how much crap it blew off the bottom of my tank. WAY better than dual return I had on the left side of my tank by my overflow. That said, I'm not sure how much flow I should have (I plan on introducing Discus later) so I made a Youtube video. I'd love to know what you guys think.
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Old 08-12-2013, 03:53 AM   #26
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Default Looks like the cycle has ended!

Also, yesterday I introduced to bushy nose plecos, one albino, and four Nerite Zebra snails (two in the main tank, two in the refugium). I also notice one of my cherry shrimp some how made down into the refugium. Inconceivable but, there he is.

Did a 20% water change today and dosed the tank with Flourish Excel, Acid Buffer and Prime (even though I used RO water it seemed like a good idea). PH looks to be 6.8-7. Ammonia and Nitrate are both 0 (hooray!) and nitrate looks to be between 10 and 20. I'm feeling pretty good here.

Thinking about more tetra's, possibly some dwarf Gourami and some Blue Rams next!

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I hooked up my Satellite Plus side by side with the regular Satellite and truthfully, I'm not sure I need both. The Plus is definitely brighter and the color settings are really impressive (I've been messing with them all day). The first pic is of the lights side by side on top of the tank. The Second is both strips on and the third is only the plus. What do you guys think? Do I need both?
In all honesty I can't tell a difference in the pics. I ended up buying the LED+ for over my 90 and I'm thinking it's not enough light. But that could also be because I'm used to having 4xT5HO's running. I'm going to let it go for a month or two and see how the plants react to it and determine if I want to add a single T5HO behind the LED fixture or just purchase another LED setup.

The most important thing is how do you like it? Do you prefer the look of both of them or just one of them? Also, determining the types of plants you want to grow with them will also be helpful. I'm also looking at converting my tank over to a Discus tank so I guess we'll be going down this road together haha!
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I think I'm just going to roll with the Plus for now, like you, and see what happens. I'm perfectly happy with the brightness and plants don't seem to be melting. Keep me posted on your tank and we can compare notes.
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Glad to hear you're finally cycled completely. Hope it's smooth sailing from here!
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Old 09-01-2013, 05:20 AM   #30
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After a 10 day vacation in Minnesota I'm back. My wife did a great job of feeding but still figured out a way to kill to of my Gourami but all else is well. Today I picked up some more plants, some Mondo Grass and a couple more Anubas and I re-aquaspaced adding some more wood and some caves for the two German Blue Rams I picked up. I also picked up four more Rummy Nose Tetra's and was filled with this overwhelming sense of joy when they immediately joined the school. It's little things like this that make me happy these days, is that sad? So now here's my population: 9 Rummy Nose Tetras, 1 Bosemani Rainbow (thinking about getting a few more), 4 green Corys, 2 Blue Dwarf Gourami (I love them!), 2 German Blue Rams, and 2 bristle nose plecos.

I think this is where I'll maintain my bio-load until I pull the trigger on discus. In the meantime I've started dosing the tank with 3 different Seachem chemicals (Excel, Potassium and the comprehensive supplement).

The shrimp in my refugium seem to be doing well enough when I see them and I'm thinking about adding some blues or tigers. I'll get some pics up when I finish scaping tomorrow or monday but for the time being, things are good.
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