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Old 04-09-2014, 03:27 AM   #1
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Filtration Help!


Need some advice for my new non planted 100 gallon overstocked african cichlid tank filtration wise...

Should I go with:
Two SunSun 304b's
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One SunSun and one AC110
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Only two or three AC110's

I'm trying to stay somewhat inexpensive, and I can get the sunsuns for $90 shipped each and the AC110's for $80 shipped each.

What are some opinions? I'm pretty open to anything! Any help would be greatly appreciated!!
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Old 04-09-2014, 03:50 AM   #2
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Have you considered a sump?

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Old 04-09-2014, 03:56 AM   #3
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Have you considered a sump?

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I have, and it's something I definitely want to do but the setup will be 6 feet from my bed and I don't think I'd be able to make a wet/dry quiet enough! I definitely plan on going with a sump when I get a bigger tank not near my bedroom. I just thought noise wise the sump would be out of the question. Also, not to sure I'd want to drill the tank!

Do you think I could make a sump quiet enough? What size sump do you think I would need for an overstocked 100? I'm interested for sure.

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Old 04-09-2014, 03:57 AM   #4
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I started off with ACs on my own 90gal, and found that I didn't get enough flow at the bottom of the tank (would end up with debris buildups). I slowly upgraded over time and after going through several diff options ended up with a Rena XP3 and XP4 on it before I was happy with the overall flow and filtration efficiency.

I've never used the SunSuns, but I suspect if you go with the AC option, you'll end up needing some powerheads to boost flow.

If QUIET is important for you- I'd strongly recommend Eheim Classic canisters. Totally worth the investment, IMHO.
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I am right in the process of replacing a SunSun clone (TruAqua) with an Eheim 2075 on a 40 breeder. Yes, twice the price. I would have been ahead if i did not buy SunSun in the first place.

2 x Eheim 2075 or above should be good enough.

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Old 04-09-2014, 04:17 AM   #6
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Personally I would go with the dual Sun Sun option. I have AC's on a few tanks and have been less than impressed with them when compared to a canister filter. I like a little more room to add additional filter media, whether it be chemical, biological or mechanical. The AC's lack this flexibility. I have a sun sun on one of my five tanks and it works great. There is an extremely generous amount of space for customizing your filter media. As far as quiet goes, my sun sun runs dead silent. I think you will be more than satisfied with the dual sun sun's.

I did a video review of the sun sun 302 (which is the model I own). It is on my youtube page. Click on my signature and scroll down to the equipment, product reviews playlist and you'll see the review.
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Old 04-09-2014, 03:00 PM   #7
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I do not recommend HOB for cichlid tanks. There is a major difference in the water flow and it can be critical with sand spitters! HOB all run the water through the impeller and then the media. Canisters run the water through the media and then the impeller. This can result in unfiltered water, with sand, going to the impeller where it can wind up in the space between the impeller and well or shaft and impeller. Either way, it can cost you a new impeller and shaft. The sand acts just like a grinder to cut or score. Nuisance, yes, but the main problem is the cost.
For quiet, go canister. For long lasting real quiet, go Eheim canister. I use a 2075 and a 2217 on my 125 cichlid tank.

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Old 04-09-2014, 03:12 PM   #8
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Maybe have a look at a couple these??
Odyssea CFS 500

Ran Aquaclear 110's on cichlid tank's for year's and year's.
Is a fair point made with regard's to sand finding it's way into impeller assembly which is why I went with large size gravel no more than an inch deep, which made gravel vaccuming more effective.
Deeper substrates with cichlid's, just mean's more organic matter(poop,food) becoming trapped in substrate.
They don't need much gravel .
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Old 04-09-2014, 05:44 PM   #9
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Thanks for all of the comments everyone! I really think canister is the way to go for me! I wish two eheim classics were within my price range.. But being a recent college grad I think I'm better off with the SunSuns for this tank!

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Personally I would go with the dual Sun Sun option. I have AC's on a few tanks and have been less than impressed with them when compared to a canister filter. I like a little more room to add additional filter media, whether it be chemical, biological or mechanical. The AC's lack this flexibility. I have a sun sun on one of my five tanks and it works great. There is an extremely generous amount of space for customizing your filter media. As far as quiet goes, my sun sun runs dead silent. I think you will be more than satisfied with the dual sun sun's.

I did a video review of the sun sun 302 (which is the model I own). It is on my youtube page. Click on my signature and scroll down to the equipment, product reviews playlist and you'll see the review.
Thanks for the comment! I'd actually already watched your video and am a subscriber. Thank you for the input. Pretty sure i'll be going the sunsun route.

With two sunsun 304's... Should I go one canister completely mechanical and the other mechanical, two bio trays full of matrix, and then chemical/polishing top tray?

I know with two of these big canisters i'll have a ton of room for media! So what do you guys think would be the best route? I already have 2 unused liters of matrix on hand
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2 Eheim canisters, and don't be scared to buy used if you are on a budget. Most used eheims work just fine.

If you decide to go with HOB filters pool filter sand won't get sucked up into the filter unless the fish deliberately swims up, and spits it into the intake which is higher up then a canister intake would be.

I'd go with the matrix you already have, the matrix will be just fine, but you might need more depending what canister you use. I like to use masonry sponge as well along side matrix.
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Old 04-09-2014, 10:03 PM   #11
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I keep a hob on my tanks just for the ease of adding different media perigean ect. Main filtration is canister
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I don't think there's really a "wrong" decision as far as media for your filters, but I personally set up my own filters the same when running dual filters on a larger tank for the following reasons:

1) I like to be prepared for the worst in case one filter fails- so all of my filters have mechanical, bio, and chemical media (I'm a big fan of Purigen)

2) I usually only do filter maintenance on one filter at a time, as this leaves the other filter undisturbed- fully intact and cycled

3) I don't have to try and remember which filter is which for any reason LOL
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I don't think there's really a "wrong" decision as far as media for your filters, but I personally set up my own filters the same when running dual filters on a larger tank for the following reasons:

1) I like to be prepared for the worst in case one filter fails- so all of my filters have mechanical, bio, and chemical media (I'm a big fan of Purigen)

2) I usually only do filter maintenance on one filter at a time, as this leaves the other filter undisturbed- fully intact and cycled

3) I don't have to try and remember which filter is which for any reason LOL
Thank you! I think I'll make both filters the same going mechanical, bio (matrix), and chemical. I'm also a big fan of purigen! Love the stuff.

I think the one filter at a time idea is perfect and i'll definitely do the same thing!
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Old 04-10-2014, 03:07 AM   #14
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Anyone else have any opinions or suggestions for me?
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Old 04-10-2014, 06:32 AM   #15
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Before you make any final decisions, check out some videos on utube. Look for "bean animal" overflows, that type of set up is supposed to be very quiet.
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