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Old 06-30-2013, 08:23 PM   #1
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Can i keep BKK with blue bolts or ruby reds??


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Just wondering, can I keep BKK with blue bolts or ruby reds without them crossing breeding and making hybrids?
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Old 06-30-2013, 08:57 PM   #2
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They don't make hybrids. They produce normal taiwan bees, but they may be different colors or patterns than their parents.
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They are all the same species (different color,) and since to my knowledge they do not breed true, they are usually kept together anyway.
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They don't make hybrids. They produce normal taiwan bees, but they may be different colors or patterns than their parents.
What do you mean by normal bee's? What would that look like?




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They are all the same species (different color,) and since to my knowledge they do not breed true, they are usually kept together anyway.
They don't breed true? What do you mean by that? Like do you mean like on a BKK some babies will have more white then others? And if I kept let's say BKK and blue bolts together, will they mix together to make a strange colored baby?
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An Extreme BKK, for instance, may produce BKKs with one or two bars. They could produce Blue Bolts. They could produce Reds. A Blue Bolt could produce BKK. Et al.

That's what they mean when they say they don't breed true. They'll produce - again - other kinds of Taiwan Bees.
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They are all pure taiwan bees and will produce pure taiwan bees. The babies will be different colors, some red wine, some panda, some bb, some bkk, etc.
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Ekliu for instance started out with 6kk and 2 pandas and wound up with:

"Ruby Red Extreme
Pandas (black and white, no blue)
Blue Bolts (various grades)
Ruby Red
Wine Red
BKK
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My Blue bolt female mated with a 2 bar BKK male....offspring were mostly 1 and 2 bar BKKs, a panda Bkk, and 2 wine red pandas!

So yes they will cross, but you will get a mix of different patterns and colors. If you just want Blue bolts, then keep them separate and only breed BB x BB.

However, as I suspect the origin of a BB is Snow white Crystal shrimp x BKK, and the offspring came out blue tinged, and then it was recrossed possibly several times to enhance the blue color....you may also end up
with a BKK from the BB x BB cross (because you don't know what's in the background genetics) Just my theory.
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An Extreme BKK, for instance, may produce BKKs with one or two bars. They could produce Blue Bolts. They could produce Reds. A Blue Bolt could produce BKK. Et al.

That's what they mean when they say they don't breed true. They'll produce - again - other kinds of Taiwan Bees.
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They are all pure taiwan bees and will produce pure taiwan bees. The babies will be different colors, some red wine, some panda, some bb, some bkk, etc.
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Ekliu for instance started out with 6kk and 2 pandas and wound up with:

"Ruby Red Extreme
Pandas (black and white, no blue)
Blue Bolts (various grades)
Ruby Red
Wine Red
BKK
Shadow Panda"
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My Blue bolt female mated with a 2 bar BKK male....offspring were mostly 1 and 2 bar BKKs, a panda Bkk, and 2 wine red pandas!

So yes they will cross, but you will get a mix of different patterns and colors. If you just want Blue bolts, then keep them separate and only breed BB x BB.

However, as I suspect the origin of a BB is Snow white Crystal shrimp x BKK, and the offspring came out blue tinged, and then it was recrossed possibly several times to enhance the blue color....you may also end up
with a BKK from the BB x BB cross (because you don't know what's in the background genetics) Just my theory.
Wow that is actually really cool!! So If I got a bunch of BKK I can end up with ruby reds? That's cool. But one more thing. If I kept them together and they cross bred they can't produce like a ugly brown one corrrect?
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I have not seen this happen, so I would say NO.
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I don't think brown has even popped up yet.
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Haha i just dont want any ugly hybrids. But that won't happen right?




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Have you kept sensitive shrimp before? If so, for how long? What kind of shrimp?

I ask because it would not be a good idea to delve into expensive, sensitive Taiwan Bees unless you have a lot of experience under your belt.

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Haha i just dont want any ugly hybrids. But that won't happen right?
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+1 great advice. $7 sensitive shrimp such as oebts is a lot cheaper than $20+ to get your bearings with. When you succeed with that, sell 'em and you have the money for TBs.
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Old 07-01-2013, 01:16 AM   #15
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Have you kept sensitive shrimp before? If so, for how long? What kind of shrimp?

I ask because it would not be a good idea to delve into expensive, sensitive Taiwan Bees unless you have a lot of experience under your belt.
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+1 great advice. $7 sensitive shrimp such as oebts is a lot cheaper than $20+ to get your bearings with. When you succeed with that, sell 'em and you have the money for TBs.
I bred OEBT for a couple months but then they all died off because well I didn't know before but I think there temp was too high
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