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Old 07-01-2013, 10:34 AM   #16
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From the photo you posted, you can't really tell that that it's not one branch.

It might be more noticeable irl, but from the photo it looks seamless.
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Old 07-01-2013, 11:11 AM   #17
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Good luck! Very nice wood layout. Ur glass also looks very nice im sure this tank will be stunning!!

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Old 07-01-2013, 01:04 PM   #18
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my eye doesn't notice that.. The branches show more focal point than the actual base of it. Where did you get your driftwood?
Thanks for the feedback, and it looks like the others agree with you. It's funny how when you make something yourself you tend to focus on silly things that nobody else notices. I got the driftwood from Tom Barr. It was a box of sticks for $45 shipped, and I used about half of it.

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Personally I think your soil level is sufficient. Less soil in the front = more depth of field and room for plants.
It's sloped back right now on the right hand side, and there are a few places not seen on the camera where you can see zip ties and the white egg crate. Also, underneath the egg-crate is not filled in all the way, and the back left corner needs quite a bit more. A bunch of the egg crate is covered with a tiny bit of soil and would get exposed quite easily. I filled it using the soil I had so I could get a picture of what it should look like. I don't think I need 50% more soil, but maybe 25-30% more.
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Old 07-01-2013, 01:27 PM   #19
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This tank is gonna look sweet! Great idea with the egg crate I've never thought to do that. I had a couple of larger driftwood pieces that I secured onto acrylic but this is a good way to do multiple pieces like you did. Looking forward to seeing it planted and filled!
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Old 07-01-2013, 01:27 PM   #20
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I'd like some feedback on a foreground/carpet plant. The Ray 2 is capable of putting about 90 par at the substrate if I don't raise it, so I should be able to grow whatever I want with CO2. I'm thinking it'll fill the right 1/3 or so, and then the front 20% all the way along the front. See the area shaded in green in the pic below for coverage. I also included the pic from the previous page with dirt so you can visualize it and not have to go back.

Right now I'm leaning heavily toward UG, but I'd love some ideas. I'd also like to hear from anybody who's grown UG as to pluses and minuses of this plant. I am already growing HC in my work tank, so I'd rather not do the same plant in both, although I won't rule it out because I really do like it a lot. I'd prefer to not do DHG because I'm afraid it'll take over.

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Old 07-01-2013, 09:17 PM   #21
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Very clean looking!
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Old 07-01-2013, 09:26 PM   #22
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Excellent start. I'm subscribed. I saw the egg crate trick somewhere else but I didn't think to try it for my scape. Next one for sure.
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Old 07-04-2013, 06:09 AM   #23
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Definitely go with UG if you can wait out the DSM on it. I hear things about it needs to be trimmed alot so the under carpet doesn't die and uproot itself. too bad you don't have your highest wood just above the water line. you could do an awesome above UG effect. Actually seeing the stems poking out of the water - making their carnivorous trap.
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Old 07-04-2013, 01:10 PM   #24
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Definitely go with UG if you can wait out the DSM on it. I hear things about it needs to be trimmed alot so the under carpet doesn't die and uproot itself. too bad you don't have your highest wood just above the water line. you could do an awesome above UG effect. Actually seeing the stems poking out of the water - making their carnivorous trap.
That pic is awesome! That'd be so cool, and almost makes me want to modify my branches a little before I start planting. I am definitely going with UG. A 4x4 section is showing up tomorrow, and I'll be planting immediately and doing a shortened DSM.

I was thinking about my last DSM, and I don't think I have the patience to do that here. However, one huge advantage of a DSM is getting good strong deep roots before you flood the tank. So I thought I'd try a short 2 week DSM period. With the HC DSM I did, the first 2 weeks was all roots, and then the plants took off. I'm not looking to grow it out with full coverage, as that should happen just fine under water with CO2. I just want it to root good and deep first, which I'm expecting should take about that long.

Also, I'm taking an idea from mot's Moss Canyon journal, and blending up some of my moss and then mixing it with yogurt to spread on the branches where I want it. Then during the DSM you keep the moss misted and damp. You end up with incredibly dense moss growth, and I think the look he attained was pretty fantastic and better looking than when you just tie the moss to a branch. His DSM period to let the moss attach was about 4 weeks, but I think the moss should attach in 2 weeks. I'm going to have a loose test piece in there with moss on it that I can dip in water at the 2 week mark to see if it's attached.

I'm hoping that my hybrid approach of just allowing the plants to attach and root through a short DSM and then flooding the tank works out. I don't feel like waiting 1-2 months before I get to enjoy this thing. I'm thinking that with plenty of CO2, light, and ferts, it should pan out well for me.

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Old 07-04-2013, 04:49 PM   #25
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Yeah I believe the blender method with moss is the best approach with doing DSM. painting it on will get better results than string or glue. I knew that picture would AWE you haha. I'm trying to figure out on my 12 gallon on how I can do that as well because it's a beautiful white flower that UG is.
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Old 07-05-2013, 04:07 AM   #26
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WOW! That is amazing! I can't wait to see the progression!
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Big day! I got a beautiful and generous 4"x4" patch of UG from nilocg in the mail today. After adding a few rocks, and flooding the soil, I got to work planting "hair plugs" of UG.



Here is all all planted. I'm hoping for a short 2-3 week DSM just to let it root:



I also ran a good portion of flame moss through a blender, mixed it with non-fat plain yogurt, and painted it on with a brush. I'm suspecting that I'll have to keep this misted frequently. In case it dies, I only used 1/2 of my flame moss. I'll have plenty to try again if this fails miserably. Here are a few close ups, and you can see in the image above everywhere that I spread it:



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Looking good! The UG was well planted and should grow in nicely. Can't wait to see that fill out, I love how it looks as a carpet. And I like what you did with the moss, that's a really good idea I had never heard of that before. Are going to add any other plants during the dry start or wait until it's filled?
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Looking good! The UG was well planted and should grow in nicely. Can't wait to see that fill out, I love how it looks as a carpet. And I like what you did with the moss, that's a really good idea I had never heard of that before. Are going to add any other plants during the dry start or wait until it's filled?
Thanks! I'll be waiting until it fills before adding any more plants. Currently my 12 gallon Edge (in my sig) is holding all of them.
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Old 07-07-2013, 03:30 AM   #30
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Because I know that I am impatient, I know that in 2 weeks I'll be totally wondering if the moss has attached. So to help with this I grabbed 2 spare pieces of wood and put the same moss/yogurt mix on them and set them in the tank. I will mist them and treat them the same as the rest. Thus, I have 2 tests that I can conduct to see if the moss it attached. If I dip the first one in 2 weeks and it holds, then I can shake it in the water and see how well attached it is. If it's solid, I'm good to go. If it seems sketchy, then I can wait another 1-2 weeks and test the other piece. I like that I can totally test it before hand without messing up my work.

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