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Old 06-20-2013, 08:46 PM   #16
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oh okay. I thought flourish didn't contain micros. my fault

Hmm. it might be because of the light unless you only have low light plants. then not a problem. I see you have anubias and the last pic seem to be java fern, right? I can't tell from the pics. Also, how long did you have your light for? did you know that those lights need to be replace because they eventually lose their strength/intensity?

As Norbot says you will definitely need to provide co2 in some way. I provide my plants with co2 through seachem excel. There is a cheaper alternative to excel called metricide 14 but please make sure you do your research on it. Also, you can make your own DIY co2. just search this website. there is a lot of info on it.

In my opinon, you might want to increase your phosphate and potassium dosage. you don't need to dose nitrogen since you have plenty according to your nitrate levels. Also what kind of substrate is that? I cant tell from the pic
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Old 06-20-2013, 08:55 PM   #17
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@mizuhuman, no worries, it can be nice to reconfirm things I thought I knew

In this case, I don't necessarily recommend co2 because that's not the goal of the op. I mean I always recommend co2, but sounds like they don't want to go there.......

Best thing to do would be to research low tech, non co2 tanks, there are a number of stunning tanks that use no co2

fish, flourish, trimming dead leaves, tank maintenace and continue what you are doing is my suggestion fwiw
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Old 06-20-2013, 08:57 PM   #18
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I have all low light plants from my understanding and I've had my fixture for like 6 months and the actual bulbs for like a month how long do they normally last? And I never knew Co2 was needed in a low tech tank do you just use less than a high tech and to increase my
phosphate and potassium dosage do I need to buy extra products, like just a potassium dose and phosphate dose and I have fluorite with black gravel on top of it. And yes that's a Anubis and java fern. Quick question though you guys said cut the damaged leaves off of all my anubises well one has all damaged leafs, do I chop all them off? And if I do that how can it do photosynthesis? Will they grow back
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Old 06-20-2013, 09:07 PM   #19
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that looks like Phosphorus, potassium and Iron deficiency. i would suggest dosing extra Potassium and little bit of Magnesium.
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Old 06-20-2013, 09:18 PM   #20
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happi- is there anything to worry about with dosing and 6 month water changes only? I ask because I hear doing %50 (or %x) weekly water changes is part of dosing, but I also read there is not much danger in overdosing?
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Old 06-20-2013, 09:19 PM   #21
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I wonder if iron is a possible deficiency in my tank because my well water is full of it
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Old 06-20-2013, 09:44 PM   #22
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co2 is not absolutely necessary for a low tech tank. I just recommend it because it can help your plants grow. the lights that you have typically last for 6 months or so. I have a standard T8 fixture and bulb that came with the hood for my 75g. I set it up in September and by January or February I noticed a general decrease in overall brightness. It got really dim.

you can actually buy them as one fertilizer. its called mono potassium phosphate (KH2PO4) I bought this from nilocg (he's a member here) I think it was $5 a pound and add shipping it should be about $11-12 (i'm not sure) just search for nilocg using the members list and send him a pm (private message) he will help you out.

as for the anubias, I never cut off all of its leaves just a few. Therefore, just cut off the really bad ones. now that I take a closer look at your pic. it looks like you buried your anubias in the substrate, correct? you're not suppose to do that. the anubias like some other plants (java fern) have a rhizome and it should be out in the open. you can tie your anubias to driftwood or rock. or leave it in the substrate as long as the rhizome is not buried.

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Old 06-20-2013, 10:56 PM   #23
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I think I'll try the Co2 then thanks and you mean just the bulbs have to be replaced right not the fixture too? Is that mixture just phosphate and potassium cause that sounds good and I didn't know that about Anubis thanks for the info ill put those on my rocks it will look really cool and get to trimming
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yes, just the bulbs have to be replaced not the whole light fixture. yes, that mixture is just phosphate and potassium. good luck with the anubias. it should be fine; anubias are hardy plants. you can use fishing line or cotton thread (the ones you would use for sewing) to tie the anubias onto rocks or driftwood. same for the java ferns
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Here's my thought on the situation..... It looks like your plants are suffering from a Nitrogen deficiency..... Because if it were a iron deficiency you would notice more of the plant turning yellow, a potassium deficiency you would notice little pin holes in the leafs with yellowing around the holes, if it were a phosphate deficiency older leaves turn yellow - parts of leaves look reabsorbed leading to dead patches and the leaves fall off rather quickly.

A nitrogen deficiency starts with the tip of the leaf turning yellow then the leaf is reabsorbed from the tip leading to the stem. Picture below shows you what I'm talking about....

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Here's my thought on the situation..... It looks like your plants are suffering from a Nitrogen deficiency..... Because if it were a iron deficiency you would notice more of the plant turning yellow, a potassium deficiency you would notice little pin holes in the leafs with yellowing around the holes, if it were a phosphate deficiency older leaves turn yellow - parts of leaves look reabsorbed leading to dead patches and the leaves fall off rather quickly.

A nitrogen deficiency starts with the tip of the leaf turning yellow then the leaf is reabsorbed from the tip leading to the stem. Picture below shows you what I'm talking about....


This graph can be misleading, lack of potassium doesn't have to show pin holes, lack of Magnesium can show leaf falling. so dont depend on the graph too much. without potassium, uptake of nitrate and other nutrients stop.

i would suggest adding potassium and Mg first and see what happen.
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Old 06-21-2013, 01:55 PM   #27
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I vote for more water changes..... I think it is a ticking time bomb if you keep dosing and don't do water changes. I notice my tank quality deplete at about 9 days if I don't do my weekly water change.
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do you have fish in the tank? if so, wouldn't you want to do weekly water changes, to avoid old tank syndrome?

http://www.bestfish.com/oldtank.html

i've noticed that my TDS shoot up if i don't do weekly water changes, since i dose daily with PPS-Pro dry ferts. my plants are doing fine, but you don't want so much fert in there that the fish are swimming in sludge, haha.
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Old 06-21-2013, 05:14 PM   #29
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i would also like to add one more thing, when water is very hard with such a high PH, this require you to dose more nutrients, i use to dose double amount of Fe, try using DTPA Fe in such a hard water.
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Thank you all for all the info i will try to add magnesium and potassium first but i have to order it first because none of my local pet stores have any. I dont constantly dose like each week i dose when i do a water change ever six months, but i am willing to expirement and try doing weekly water changes and doses and even try a little Co2. Also yes i have fish in there. When you say you double the dose of iron when there is hard water, can it hurt at all to add extra. Because if i start doing weekly water changes the iron amounts will go up a lot because there is a lot of it in my water (so much sometimes it seems like you can taste it haha my house guests complain about the iron and eggy sulfur taste haha)
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