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Old 08-31-2006, 06:10 AM   #31
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That's Amazing Tom. That is bigger then some fish ponds! I'll be interested in seeing how you set up the Co2 on that tank.

I hope you plan on updating this with more pics as it progresses. I'll look forward to following it.
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Old 08-31-2006, 08:25 AM   #32
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Don't get me wrong,every planted tank owner has his own unique style and try as we may,i doubt any of us can ever copy Amano or any of the big guns out there. Just like your tank's,i can see the difference and uniqueness that they exhibit as compared to what i have seen before. I was just commenting that yours is on it's way to become as great as those who are well known in our community,and i have no doubt about it that it can even get better. Really love the drifwood placement and how natural the entire layout looks. Definately gonna be a loyal follower of this thread.

That's the nice thing about scaping. The tanks evolve over time.
Aquarist evolve as well, see the "stages of the aquascaper" I wrote some years back.

It's pretty easy to copy, I've never found that satisfying personally.
I'll do it every so often, but I tend to mangle tanks and torture weeds and look for ways to improve growth.

So not as much scaping.
When I do scape, I tend to use all the surfaces, I tend to do Dutch style patterns, Amanoish foregrounds.

But it's more than dang plants also..........folks often do not get that part.
Placement, lighting position, fish, the tech side, the whole deal, ADA does the photography as well.

We have a pro photograpger coming in a few weeks to do some.
Then later as things mature.

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Old 08-31-2006, 08:32 AM   #33
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I'm curious: everytime I try to use sword plants, they outgrow the tank. Is this one finally big enough to grow swords for many years? If so, that could be fabulously beautiful.
Mark and I did some work on the MBA 500 gallon discus tank and the swords where fine, got about 3ft.

I plan on using many large swords for the Piranha tank display.
I'll be 4-6ft deep, more than likely 6x 20 to 24ftL and a heck of a lot of current.

Many piranha are sick and have liver issues from being fat in tanks, they don't eat vigorously. This is cured by making them swim hard against current for 2-4 hours a day.

Sword plants have huge root systems not because they are big root feeders, they have them sdo they do not get swept way and when the water receeds, they have no other choice.

That's why they are tough to uproot.
They are river plants.

So they need no trimming and the fish will have a nice place to get lots of exercise. This makes them much healthier, stronger and better eaters, which everyone really enjoys seeing.

I have a different plan for the Hydrocolyus and stingray tank.
If you have ever seen a 4 ft Hydrocolyus, they are nothing short of awesome.


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Old 08-31-2006, 08:44 AM   #34
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That's Amazing Tom. That is bigger then some fish ponds! I'll be interested in seeing how you set up the Co2 on that tank.

I hope you plan on updating this with more pics as it progresses. I'll look forward to following it.
The CO2 system is quite unique.
Not only does it have 3 types, for ultimate flexibility, it has multiple probves to determine degassing etc and specific locations.

1. 2 large CO2 reactors in the sump, driven by 800gph each.
2. 2 x 3/4 " mazzi venturi valves in line to each return. These need virtually no mainteance and produce fine mist.
3. 2 Beetle 50's with good flow patterns in the tank.

This gives the client the option to add CO2 with dual redundancy to 3 locations and 3 types of gas injection.

Most know how anal I am about CO2...........with good reason.

The layoput is much more Dutch in styling than Nature style.
The client had a preference to Dutch styling so that is what I did.


I will do a more Nature style later perhaps for the client, it's really up the client's taste, some are involved, some just want to look at something nice.
Some like more open designs.

I have a lot of interest now in doing very large tanks like this, which is good because we will being many more from the looks of it.

Tenji does the general tank contracting, I do everything inside and related to plant health, fish health and community dynamics.

It's a good working relationship.

I like the fish stocking list.
I am tired of seeing one species of fish sparsely populated in tanks, the clients love the communities of fish I put together and the suitable species as well.

Yep, I still love fish as well as plants

I also do lakes BTW and large ponds.
6 ft sturgeon swimming around, F2 Trout, F2 Red ear sun fish, you can see them breeding in gin clear lake water.

If you can dream it, we can build it.
I'll post more pics later as they arrive.
Mark and Andy have not yet sent me their pics of Tom the Tank monkey.

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Old 08-31-2006, 10:59 AM   #35
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WOW! This is going to be a great planted tank.
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Old 08-31-2006, 12:34 PM   #36
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Alright, what's the colorful little(?) fish? It's cute.

I wonder how long before the cardinals become part of the menu

I wish the quazi-local Ripley's Aquarium had something like this. Sharks are more interesting to kids than the average long-suffering mom. LOL!

Their only freshwater tank is something like 12x12x undeterminable due to fake rockwork and houses primarily monster fish commonly (and ill advisedly) available in the pet trade. Seeing the red tail catfish that would barely fit in my 75 cured me of all desire to have one. I'd need a swimming pool for the thing.
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Old 08-31-2006, 05:56 PM   #37
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bringing this up from the first page..where is this tank located at?
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Old 08-31-2006, 08:57 PM   #38
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Beverly Hills.

Cardinals will be food but are cheap and easy to supply, the owner is fine with that. The cute fish is a Killi, They have done well in large tanks, not so well in med sized tanks, very well in tiny tanks single species only.

Apistos are nice as well.


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Old 09-01-2006, 12:23 AM   #39
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see the "stages of the aquascaper"
LOL! "Collectoritus".
I think I am at stage 3 accidentaly bumped into stage 4 with recent HC acquisition.

Cant wait to see these Discus!!!
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Old 09-01-2006, 12:28 AM   #40
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Beverly Hills, Oh, la, la .... next thing you know planted tanks will be all the rage, everyone will want one ..... and they'll want YOU to "furnish" it. What a job, doing something you love and getting paid for it. Congrats.

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Old 09-01-2006, 01:17 AM   #41
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If I were involved with that project it would soon become an experiment in growing algae. I do that part very well.
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Old 09-01-2006, 01:36 AM   #42
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Beverly Hills, Oh, la, la .... next thing you know planted tanks will be all the rage, everyone will want one ..... and they'll want YOU to "furnish" it. What a job, doing something you love and getting paid for it. Congrats.

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That is the idea, the tank will be seen by most everyone in the industry there.
The owner is a better salesman for the concept than myself, he's very obsessive, but when it comes to plants, and other things, so am I..... and he knows the folks already.

He wants the other folks to get into it and keep it, not only that, but the LA Zoo and the public insitutions.

Do not kid yourself, this is a lot of work.

Those 180 Gallon tanks are a snap by comparison.

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Old 09-01-2006, 01:37 AM   #43
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LOL! "Collectoritus".
I think I am at stage 3 accidentaly bumped into stage 4 with recent HC acquisition.

Cant wait to see these Discus!!!
They are bigger than any I've seen.
Some Giant German type.
8 years old or so.


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Do not kid yourself, this is a lot of work.

Those 180 Gallon tanks are a snap by comparison.
What amazes me is all the prep work that had to be done before the tank was even built. I love the redundancies ya'll have built in. It appears to be VERY well thought out. As an engineer, I can really appreciate the work that has gone into this tank, and not just the planting which I'm sure was a job in and of itself. I'm going to put the LA zoo on my list of dream vacations, so maybe in the future DH and I can admire your work in person.

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Old 09-01-2006, 04:27 AM   #45
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Well,
Like a plane, there should be back up reduncacies, if not, you fall out of the sky

So everything should have pairs should one break down.
This has been done on each tank for the critical things.
One item can be driven at full capacity, the other only if need be.

The tank also has Mechical bag pressure filters, to 5 and then 1 micron, lots of UV, the water is going to be clear.

I may add O2 to the Biotower and the FB filter as well as one of the mazzi's.
That will amplify the bacterial respiration and conversion into NO3 and other organic materials that are broken down inside those and the O2 into the tank and via the roots will take care of the rest.

With the O2 controller, I can control several sections of the system independently with the same unit(but need seperate probes), so I can have 15ppm O2 inside the biotower and FB filter, and say 9ppm inside the tank.

Probes are 430$ though.........so that's another 2 x 430$.........not sure that's really worth it, vs adding say 3 bubbles a second into each intake for each filter unit and just seeing.

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