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Old 05-02-2013, 09:12 PM   #1
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Where are my nitrates?


I've been having trouble balancing out conditions in my tank.
(Tank has been running since September, GH and KH are high (11-12 degrees), Eheim ECCO 2236, Aquasoil Amazonia.) There is slow to moderate growth and some nuisance BBA. Nitrates also reading zero. I'd really like to get at the root of the issue rather than just treat the symptoms with excel or H2O2.

Here are some of the things I think may be a factor:


CO2 - I've read a lot of threads about keeping CO2 at consistent levels to control BBA. I'm running about 3 bps, the drop checker is very yellow, and I see some gasping from my black neons from time to time. I use a solenoid and the gas turns on 2 hours before the lights.

Light - currently running two 6700k T5HO bulbs on a 8 hour photoperiod. They are only a months old. They were about 3 inches from the top of the tank, but I moved it up to six inches after replacing the bulbs.

Fertilizer - I was previously using Pfertz (two pumps per bottle per day). Last week I switched to EI. Dosing as follows:
1/8 tsp KNO3 3x a week
1/32 tsp KH2PO4 3x a week
1/32 tsp K2SO4 3x a week
1/32 tsp traces 3x a week

After a week of this, nitrates are still at zero. I double dosed the macros this morning and still no change in nitrate levels.

I feel like all the clues ate there but I'm not sure what my tank is telling me. Should I up the KNO3 dosing?

To make matters even more complicated, I have to leave for five days beginning tomorrow night. I'm planning on reducing the photoperiod to 6 hours, do a large WC and then heavily dose before I split. Is this a good plan?

Thanks!

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Old 05-02-2013, 09:29 PM   #2
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What size is your tank and what kind of water changes are you doing?
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17 gallon, 50 % WC once per week.
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Old 05-02-2013, 09:35 PM   #4
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What nitrate test are using....is it not expired and are you following the directions exactly? Some tests require a lot of shaking of components before adding or else they read zero


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That's odd then. You should see nitrates even with heavy planting. Have you calibrated your nitrate test kit? Are you using it correctly? There should be some change on your nitrates after a double dose. Try calibrating the kit and make sure you shake the reagnets and sample per the instructions.

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Its the cheap API test, a few years old. I guess it could be expired... Is there a way to tell?
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I've read Hoppy's thread before (its very thorough). I've also read that there a a couple schools of thought regarding water parameters: testing regularly vs. reading the plants/tanks. I know that reading the plants doesn't tell me whether nitrates are actually present. On the other hand, if the light and CO2 are both high and conditions aren't optimal, doesn't that indicate nutrients are off? I keep thinking of a three-legged stool analogy.

Then again, I may not have any idea about what I'm saying.
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It should have an expiration date. If not does it have a lot number? the last 4 should be month and year of the lot number ie. 0417 is april 2012. I think it should be good for about 4 years or so.
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I know that reading the plants doesn't tell me whether nitrates are actually present. On the other hand, if the light and CO2 are both high and conditions aren't optimal, doesn't that indicate nutrients are off?
I agree. The CO2 seems as adequate as you're going to get if the fish are gasping and the light seems okay as well. So nutrients would be a concern. However, the dose you are using should register with an accurate test. This alone says the test is not working as it should. Calibrating it also eliminates bad reagent and user error hence the reason I suggested it
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It should have an expiration date. If not does it have a lot number? the last 4 should be month and year of the lot number ie. 0417 is april 2012. I think it should be good for about 4 years or so.
Lot numbers end in 1010 and 1110, so 2010? I guess they could be expired.
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You really have to shake bottle no 2 on API’s test kit shake it until your arm falls off and bang it on a table a few times
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I agree. The CO2 seems as adequate as you're going to get if the fish are gasping and the light seems okay as well. So nutrients would be a concern. However, the dose you are using should register with an accurate test. This alone says the test is not working as it should. Calibrating it also eliminates bad reagent and user error hence the reason I suggested it
You are right. I should make sure the tests are accurate. I'm guessing that expired tests should be tossed out and replaced?
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You really have to shake bottle no 2 on APIís test kit shake it until your arm falls off and bang it on a table a few times
Maybe I'll stick it in my pocket and throw myself down the stairs. Kidding!
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My lot number is 2012 and expires 2017 so it suppose to be good for 5 years. That is assuming proper storage. So calibrating the test should tell you whether it is bad, you are mistakingly doing the test wrong, or if the bag you think is KNO3 is something else.

Ignoring the light and CO2 you should see a nitrate change and you're not. SO I wouldn't bother thinking about anything else until that issue is resolved. Make sense?
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Okay. Lesson learned for rereading directions. Shook the test solutions like crazy and see 5.0ppm. Calibration still a good idea but at least I know not to continue dosing.

Still need to get everything balanced out. But that will probably take a few weeks. I wish I wasn't going away next week so I could stay on top of this.

I appreciate all the help everyone.
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